The EU still wants to scan all your chats – and the rules could come into force by October 2025
The EU still wants to scan all your chats – and the rules could come into force by October 2025
Ugh, this shit again...
Are there any initiatives out there to call a stop to this? Or even better, initiatives to introduce legislation that forbids setting up this kind of surveillance infrastructure altogether?
🇩🇪GER: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/beitraege/chatkontrolle/
🇫🇷 FRA: https://iloth.net/2023/05/traduction-du-dossier-chat-control-2-0-de-patrick-breyer/
🇸🇪 SWE: https://chatcontrol.se/
Patrick Breyer with the pirate party is my go to example of why small parties and extraparliamentary opposition is important. 99% of the people don't even know him and he's just doing such an sucessful job of protecting them anyway.
Thank you for helping us stop chat control! We from the Swedish Pirate Party are strongly against this!
Your local Pirate Party and organizations like Bits of Freedom can help out.
The annoying thing is that some states like Germany pretty much prohibit surveillance of this extend by constitution. It couldn‘t be made any harder for a legislation like this to pass and yet they keep trying.
Well we in the Swedish Pirate Party are strongly against this! We have been fighting since the beginning against Chat Control! Feel free to DM me and I can even try to find a Pirateparty near you or atleast a party who are aligned similarly!
Maybe it’s time to restart some some old Greek traditions and propose a law that anyone proposing chat control - from here on out - gets banished for life from entering European soil ever again.
I am in favour of this proposal.
It's not the EU yet. It's a group of activists from Denmark. There wasn't even preliminary voting on it yet.
Doesn't mean we need to be complacent of course, but so far nothing happened.
but so far nothing happened
Things happens frighteningly fast these days. It's not a matter of being complacent; it's a matter of budding things in the nip. Which won't work. Then tirelessly fight back against it.
Unless you've been sleeping under a rock these last few… weeks. Not even months. Some legislation can go from 0 to 100 extremely quickly if left unchecked.
What activists? I need their names, for personal research reasons.
I don't know who reintroduced it, but here the original one https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=COM%3A2022%3A209%3AFIN&qid=1652451192472
How the fuck can you be pro censorship/pro big brother? What kind of idiot do you have to be? Do they just get bags of money to spout out this bullshit?
Does having a lot of money exempt you from this shit? I don't get it. I can understand detestable people being pro things that make the poor poor and the rich rich. But this affect everyone both poor and rich. The only one benefiting from this are fascist dictators.
It's not "Danish activists" but rather the government. As a Dane I know how horny these people are to create a fullblown police/nanny state. SVM (the name for the government) is terrible for all of us. Can't wait to see their voter share drastically diminish at the next election, but clearly they can do a lot of harm first..
STASI enters the chat.
Hey at least Stasi only spied on people they suspected.
That's due to the limitation at the time.
Their kind never leaves the chat, it's a professional habit
Thank god my OS doesn't care about EU regulation
Your OS doesn't, put the messaging apps that your friends/family/coworkers use do.
And no, you can't convince them to switch messager, I tried.
I, at least, managed to get most of my family to switch. I told them it was the only way they'd get pictures and updates of my son. The one small victory I'm satisfied with.
You don't have to say everything on those apps, tho, just do basic stuff and for longer convos request an encrypted chat app.
Currently, I, my entire Family and everyone I know use Signal. And everyone that doesn't want to, can contact me via Matrix or XMPP, which literally no one ever does, even thought I know a lot of IT and CS people. I keep them as options regardless, just to offer them to people.
I mean, there is also phone, SMS and email of course, but people seem to prefer a new messenger over actually contacting me in any of these ways. And then I'm always like "look, you can choose one of countless ways to contact me, if you like none of them, that's a you-problem".
And no, you can’t convince them to switch messager, I tried.
Have you used the gambling addiction and honeypot comparisons?
Or opium smoking in China one?
If somebody makes a functioning NOSTR client similar to Telegram in experience - maybe that will be convenient enough.
As long as owning a device that allow full E2E encryption without spyware isn't illegal.
It bears repeating a lot of time : the technology to circumvent these things exist, and will continue to exist. However, there's nothing preventing obtuse lawmakers from making it illegal to own. And then, it's just a matter of catching someone and finding some rooted android phone in his pocket.
And what do you think that means the moment your OS connects to, oh I don't know, the rest of the fucking planet?
They won't.
If you're a citizen of an EU country, you should contact your politicians to tell them not to, maybe they won't.
It only has to pass once, and they keep trying.
Some keep trying. That's how democracy and politics works in general.
Contacting politicians directly is good, but joining orgs like the Electronic Frontier Foundation or Privacy International multiplies your impact since they have lawyers and can actualy challenge these laws in court.
With SKG going as well as it is, wouldn't an ECI on chat control be in order?
Is the EU not subject to GDPR?
Rules are for the people, not governments
The EU decides what's GDPR. And it seems recently it decided to not be buggered by those old ideas that are privacy, freedom, etc.
Welcome to earth, Everybody Sucks Here.
So, need a non-homicidal, non-EU country to run an XMPP server then...
So Canada?
(They do have a history of going a little overboard with the homicidal stuff. But they've come a long way in the last few decades.)
A lot overboard, really. There is a long way to go for truth and reconciliation.
As for data safety, its not looking too great: https://tuta.com/blog/canada-bill-c2-surveillance
I'd almost say lol, get a VPS in China.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and they have zero say over what I do, only what they do. China could demand and scream and removed all they want over an encrypted set of programs and you'd never have to care, move to another domain and provider and copy-paste. Lock it down, only use it with encryption and let the wolves huff and puff until they're blue in the face.
Or matrix, which I prefer. XMPP has a myriad of issues, and matrix is more modern with a better ecosystem of clients and servers.
Too heavy and bloated, and too centralized in its design philosophy, not to mention big capital flowing through Matrix from Israel and the issues with metadata making it a privacy disaster.
Here's a blog that agrees with me so I don't seem lazy: https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp/
I get your blogger's concern over OMEMO versions being out of whack and their encryption choices being all over the place, but other than it being somewhat of a mess, I don't see how it devalues the service as much as he thinks. (a bit melodramatic imo) I've yet to meet someome whos client can't decode my messages or mine theirs and I've never heard of any successful hack, but maybe maybe.
Compelling search engines to deindex results, age verification, chat monitoring: stay golden, EU.
Wtf. Is Signal going to be affected? I just recently installed Signal on my phone.
Signal has already stated that they will pull out of the UK if they go through with their version of this, I imagine they'll say the same for the EU.
Get a good VPN, exit it from a non-5 eyes country, and hope they don't start blocking by phone number alone.... and hopefully they'll drop the phone number requirement sooner than later.
Also, welcome to Signal!
Encryption. Is easy.
you know this means they get the keys, right?
Nah, just hold your secret key in secret. It's just basic math.
I'm starting to edit idcaboutprivacy more and more often (and that's not a good thing)
I like the comapirson i heared at Anne Roths(https://systemli.social/@anneroth) talk(German):
You would never say: I don't need free speech because I have nothing to say. Everyone profits from data privacy and free speech and some people are depending on their life on it.
Dude, I decided to make a personal note with lots of similar links regarding privacy, so that I can provide the source when I discuss these matters with people. But yours in much more thorough - and public. Thanks for saving me a ton of work!
time to make my own shitty ass software to deal with this stuff
Let us know when it's ready for Alpha testing. Most of us will gladly give it a shot and help iron it out.
should check existing options first:
The never stop trying. Fucking incompetent dumm politicians.
This is not the Europe I remember...
I know right? Need more style to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsFnLuqHa20
Buy EU, am I right?
Geezus...
Absolutely unacceptable and ridiculous.
Keep them informed, of course they care about your opinion, especially seeing how anyplace else in the world where such things were introduced there were successful revolutions and people doing that ended up in jail. Oops.
Agree
We couldn't have said it better!