As an owner of children, I approve this message

Rich people deserve to suffer. Always fly first class with your kids and give them caffeine pills before the flight.

People in business class or first class are almost never rich. Sky mile programs, travel credit card point programs, gaming point relationships between airlines and affiliates can make business and first quite affordable. And for when it can't be affordable, if someone is paying for it, it's not usually for luxury. I try to always send my wife at least business class so she is treated MUCH more as a human being than she normally has been in coach, as she is a minority and disabled. Rich people charter planes or own them. Those in business class are usually people who just plan ahead better than you. And if you're jealous of that, then you're a jealous piece of something.
- People in business class or first class are almost never rich. Sky mile programs, travel credit card point programs, gaming point relationships between airlines and affiliates can make business and first quite affordable.
  person who flies so much they are able to game point relationships between airlines and affiliates: actually I am living in poverty and not what you'd call rich. 🤡 🤡 🤡
  ??????????

don't do it in business and first class!

Lol. If you're wasting those sums of money to fly, I hope you do get noisy kids right next to you.

Here are some reasons for business class and first class:
Certainly treated better by staff when flights are delayed or cancelled - They took excellent care of my wife and her food and lodging needs when her flight was disrupted by a volcanic eruption at her intended destination.
The airline lounge - food, drinks and comfortable places to wait while stuck at airports
More and heavier checked bag allowance - Super important if bringing things to family
Laying down on long international flights to sleep
Most importantly, if you are a person of colour or disabled, the staff treat you a hell of a lot better - Shouldn't have to pay more to be treated like a human being, but on a lot of airlines, you do
So it's not a waste, especially when my wife is flying alone 7600km, 10,500km, and even 11,700km as both a person of colour and a disabled person to deal with family tragedies. For you to want to screw with people for that... Yeah, don't care for you.
- Thanks for explaining to everybody why you deserve to be treated better than everyone else because you have more money.
  
  I don't. Paycheck to paycheck. Learn to use the tools of airline mile programs, credit cards with points, and airline mileage affiliate programs. Use your brain, not your money.
  
  K I did all that and decided with my brain I'm gonna bring my kid too and I don't give a shit if the rich assholes in first class complain even if they insist they're "paycheck to paycheck" after airing a list of grievances about how they hate having to interact with plebs on an airplane.
  I mean seriously you said in another post rich people own planes. If everybody who doesnt own a plane isn't rich I'm gonna go ahead and say you're completely out of touch.
  
  I said charter or own. Wealthy people often charter. Who said anything about interacting with plebs? This thread is about mother freaking babies on this mother freaking plane! :) Now, if you think the definition of plebeian is just someone who has a crotch goblin traveling with them, that's a totally different problem for another post. Your assumption first class is only for the rich is in error. It might be someone with some savings, but very likely not rich. What is your definition of rich?
  Now, as to you being angry and just wanting to use your child to piss off other people, keep that doing that. See how that goes for ya. While rare, parents have gotten themselves banned from airlines for being terrible people. Let's see if you fit that bill.
  
  Really putting the pseudo in pseudospock, there lol
  
  What, did you think I was the real McCoy? ;)
- There's plenty of people who have to do all of that and don't have crazy amounts of money to blast on a plane ticket. My heart is not bleeding. And all this over someone bringing a child on a plane.
  
  Children are usually fine. Let me be more specific. Babies. Babies are often a problem on flights. Often it's because of the cabin pressure hurting their ears because of their under developed eustachian tubes. All babies? no. But a lot of them. Learn how to help manage the child's ear pain if you must bring them. Otherwise, you're just being mean to your baby.
  As for your plenty of people / heart not bleeding comment. Nice to meet you, Karen.
  
  What should people do exactly? FedEx their kids?
  Yes, PSA bring teething toys and gum if your child is old enough to help equalize their ear pressure that's fine, but kids are people too and they have a right to travel with their parents. The flying experience is aggressively uncomfortable and kids complaining isn't even the half of it.
  
  No. Just don't go. You chose to raise a child, part of that includes not dragging them where they don't belong until they are old grown enough to behave. If you have to go, arrange care for the child while you are gone if they aren't mature enough yet. Bringing a baby on a plane says, "I refuse to pay money to take responsibility for my choosing to have a child, so I'll bring it with me and put that burden on everyone trapped with me on a plane." Gee thanks.
  
  Could you just not go instead?
  
  Funny.

Please don't leave your house, and if you do, please for the love that might be holy don't do it in areas actually inhabited by people.

Please tell that to parents who can't keep their kids polite in public. Being a child is not an excuse to be a monster.
- Babies cry. It's what they fucking do, you misanthrope
  
  That’s why you keep them at home.
  
  Your parents not letting you go outside is why you grew up into a redditor manchild who whines about literal babies. Your presence is 1000% more irritating than any baby. I'd tell you to stay at home but you never leave the basement anyways.

Lol. I'm also not the biggest fan of children, but what are the parents supposed to do? Not having vacation? Leave them home alone? Throw them out the window on the drive to the airport?

Don't have vacations or visit family even if it's for a wedding or funeral. Stay inside your house until your kids graduate high school to be sure. Having a life is not worth the possibility of inconveniencing other people for a few hours every so often. You're ruining other people's lives if you do so.
They can pick a vacation where they don't have to fly... They chose to have kids and that comes with a lot of baggage.
- Why would they care about your opinion enough to not go on holiday where they want? If you want to fly without the chance of noisy kids then fly first class, or better still, private jet.
  No? Can't afford? Suck it up then lol, people are going to live their lives regardless of a bit of noise that you can easily cancel out with headphones.
  
  No? Can't afford? Suck it up then lol, people are going to live their lives regardless of a bit of noise that you can easily cancel out with headphones.
  hell yeah, fuck them poor people
  
  Lmao How about the parents suck it up and choose a different vacation where they're not subjecting the public to their terrors? I didn't choose to have kids, I should not have to put up with other people's kids. Too many people have kids who have no business being parents.
- last flight I was on had a crying kid and a guy who kept trying to slip booze into his coffee and had to be confronted several times.
  guess who was the most annoying one.
  point is, flying fucking sucks, most mature adults realise this and just get through it despite the discomfort. complaining about it like an entitled prick demanding certain people can't fly is frankly pathetic
  
  Screaming children are half the reason flying sucks. If your kid does not do well in public, pick another vacation or have someone watch them. Part of the responsibility that comes with having kids.
get a sitter. If you can afford a holiday, budget for a sitter.
Or don’t have holidays until the snot factories are old enough to behave if you can’t afford a sitter. You chose to have children.
- Yes, because it’s perfectly normal to leave your young kids with strangers for a couple weeks while you go on holiday, or visit family.
  
  Then don't go on vacation until they're old enough to be well behaved lmao
  
  The same can be said for adults.
  
  Couldn't agree more lol
- Let's see who will pay for your retirement and medical care eventually... (unless if you live in that US hellscape ofcourse)
  
  If that's all you're having kids for please do not have kids.
  
  Oh yeah, one hundred percent. The only reason I got kids was to make sure they can take care of my retirement.
  Just as I'm taking care of my parents. I have totally absolutely 100% not broken off all contact with them because of their shitty behaviour. No sir, absolutely not.
  
  Had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
  
  If you're having kids with the express intent that they care for you when you're old, you're already doing it wrong.
  
  well most likely be dead before anyone under 30 reaches that age.
Why do you need to fly for vacation? When did flying for vacation become mandatory?
- It’s not. But it’s much easier to deal with kids on a 2hr flight than it is to deal with them on a multiple day drive. And just because I have kids doesn’t mean I have to choose the more difficult option. I say this as a parent who has driven across the country with my kids, multiple times.
  
  You require a multiple days drive for a vacation?
  
  Oh, I was speaking for other people. I’ve never actually been on a vacation.
  
  But it’s much easier to deal with kids on a 2hr flight than it is to deal with them on a multiple day drive
  "I'll make everyone's flight miserable because I don't want to experience the bad consequences of my choices"
  And just because I have kids doesn’t mean I have to choose the more difficult option.
  you did choose the more difficult option the moment you chose to have children. having children comes with inconveniences and because that's your choice to have children you have to deal with the consequences, not others
  
  Lmao yes, I have to make my life more difficult because I chose to have kids. That makes perfect sense.
  
  'your choices, your consequences'
  not 'your choices, everyone else's consqeuences'
  it isn't that hard to understand is it? your entitlement is insane
  
  Lmao dude. Get off your high horse. Your comfort doesn’t trump mine and vice versa. If anyone is entitled here, it’s you, believing that parents have to always go out of their way to make sure everyone else is comfortable just because they have kids and you don’t.
  
  parents have child => parents are inconvinienced by child => others who have nothing to do with parents and their child should be inconvenienced instead of the parents
  following your logic, complete strangers should have to pay the kindergarten for your child. after all just because you chose to have children doesn't mean that you have to be inconvenienced (by paying money for it) and others don't, right?
  
  First of all dipshit, you do pay for kindergarten. Via taxes. What are you, 12?
  Like I said, my comfort doesn’t trump yours and your comfort doesn’t trump mine. Either deal with the fact that kids will be on flights or stop flying. Or become a member of congress and try to pass a law barring kids from planes.
  
  First of all dipshit, you do pay for kindergarten. Via taxes. What are you, 12?
  of course tax money is used to pay for kindergarten too but at least in my country you pay something like 15 euros per day yourself
  also, I could've said babysitter too. or clothes. or food. or something else, it doesn't matter. my point still stands
  Like I said, my comfort doesn’t trump yours and your comfort doesn’t trump mine. Either deal with the fact that kids will be on flights or stop flying.
  Like I said, your choice your discomfort and my chioce my discomfort. Either deal with the fact that cartain choices have consequences or make different choices
  seriously tho, you're making your self-made problem everyone else's
  that's like me burning my car and saying "yeah I made the choice to burn my car and I knew of the consequences, but why should only I have to pay for the damage and not others as well? their comfort doesn't trump mine"
Usually, yes. Stay home or have a sitter or nanny. If it's a family emergency or tragedy, benedryl for the child before the flight. Do NOT change the child outside of the plane's lavatory. Premium economy, not business class, as premium has some perks for bringing your baby, is more affordable than business class. Daytime flights if possible. Red-eye's people want to sleep. Be prepared, binkies, blankets, diapers, quiet toys, etc. Try to fly when you will have the most energy, hard to parent if you yourself are sleeping from exhaustion. (not always a choice, we know.) Insure your flight. If the baby is sick, colic, or especially if it has inner ear problems, don't go or again, arrange care for the child. No need to make the baby suffer, and in turn making you and everyone else miserable, too. Many people will not be kind if the child wasn't feeling well and kept them up 14 hours, which will be hard on you in addition to your own exhaustion.

If you have to fly business with the rest of the poors that can't afford a private jet, you don't get to complain.

I'm going to go with the very opposite opinion. Don't fly with your kids, especially babies, but if you do, do it ONLY in business and first class. Working class people have enough shit without having to deal with your baby.

Uh, we're working class people who are paying to avoid your baby.

I'm going to do it and then laugh at your annoyance.

Up to you. May or may not go well for you. While I won't do anything to you except an unkind look, you don't know who else we're flying with and what they might be going through. You really want to risk you or your child's well being just be right? Have you seen the crazy's on planes lately? I'll tell you this, if someone does read you the riot act or worse, I sure as hell won't come to your aid. And despite wanting to film such a happening to see you miserable or worse, I won't, because I won't want to contribute to giving you evidence you could use against your attacker(s). If you think it's terrible I wouldn't try to protect your baby, not my fault you were such a terrible parent that the child would have been better off being aborted than being your child.
- If someone attacked me or my child on a plane I would fuck them up real bad.
  
  Ah, so you are as unmannered as your kids, good to know.
  
  While we popcorn and watch your inflight entertainment.