TRUE communism!
TRUE communism!
Cross-posted from "TRUE communism!" by @Muaddib@sopuli.xyz in !politicalmemes@lemmy.world
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Man hexbear is pissed and just can't help but defend their lust for authoritarians. Then ask for left unity when we won't want to be with people who uncritically support China and North Korea.
Maybe someday hexbear will learn better but today isn't that day.
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Then ask for left unity when we won't want to be with people who uncritically support China and North Korea
Feel free to ignore if you're organizing in South Korea or Vietnam, but how do the leftists around you "supporting" the DPRK or China impact their actions at all? Do they want their governments to start giving military aid to those countries and that's something you disagree with? Do they want to change their country's diplomatic stance towards those countries and that's an issue you draw a line in the sand over?
Edit: just to make my point clear so I don't have to drag us around in the Socratic method for 5 hours: regardless of whether you "support" China, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, Venezuela, Burkina Faso, and the DPRK, it makes absolutely 0 difference on what you're doing locally^[unless you live in a country where relations with those countries are a nuanced issue, such as the ROK with the North and Vietnam with China], if you can accept the basic principles of sovereignty then it's really stupid to get up in arms about there being pro-Xi people in your leftist org when you'd rather some other policies be implemented in China. Dude, you don't get to decide that for them. It's simply not our business.
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They got so upset some of them resorted to ableism. Just astounding stuff.
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Clearly the tankie brain cannot comprehend criticism from the left...
Not ableism-
quick, explain how that's ableism. Like holy shit you peeps are completely shameless in trying to do quick gotchas.
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Calling into question the functioning of someone's brain is pretty neuronormative.
I'm not being that serious though, because I also can't find any example of someone being ableist to you beyond calling you stupid (it was me, I did that).
Hexbear has probably the lowest tolerance for ableism of any place I've seen on the internet. The raiding parties you see coming into your instance to bash liberals on the internet and correct their disinformation are not really representative of the tone of conversation on the actual instance itself between people who aren't spoiling for a rumble, not that I would expect ableism even then. The mods of Hexbear are very strict about that kind of thing, so watching clown-to-clown communication between you and your buddy as you just outright lie on the internet about the nature of another online community, in a farcical echo to how your forebears fabricated lies about socialist states, demanded comment.
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disengage.
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Notice how they didn't explain it but will say they don't support or tolerate ableism when their users have been banned here for ableism.
Wanna take bets they don't ban the users from Hexbear? I'll give db0 $10 if they do.
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Why did you leave this comment 8 hours ago when 19 hours ago @CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net already explained why it was ableist?
Also, this is just my opinion, but it seems like everyone here is throwing accusations of ableism performatively. I don't think Cascade honestly believes that db0 was being ableist towards tankies just for saying that tankies can't take criticism, he's just rhetorically paying back the equally cynical accusation of ableism. I don't believe there's a single instance of ableism in this whole thread, honestly, just people trying to get one ups on each other with varying levels of evidence to back up their claims, and using appeals to neurodiversity or ableism to protect poorly researched positions.
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"Cynical accusation of ableism" meaning when I explain my ND compulsions and coping mechanisms and got gaslit and told I'm just making it all up because I'm actually just a coward. Yeah Hexbear doesn't tolerate albeism at aaaall when they cover up for the ableists among them. The self-righteous fucking accusation by more than one hexbear that I'm "using my neurodivergence as an shield" or "weaponising neurodivergence", like every other fucking neurotypical tells us all our lives, being the cherry on top of this shit cake. Clearly ableism is using the R-word and nothing else. Go on, continue to dig that hole further.
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I think Professor Owl already did a pretty good job of showing how you're behaving pretty cynically here. For the record, I'm autistic too, and I also get into arguments pretty compulsively. I think that what you've done here shows a tendency to avoid personal accountability, though, because you're just inflaming conflict then taking shelter behind your ability to problematize the people trying to hold you accountable.
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I think Professor Owl already did a pretty good job of showing how you're behaving pretty cynically here.
We continue fucking injecting our own asusmptions onto me are we?
I think that what you've done here shows a tendency to avoid personal accountability, though, because you're just inflaming conflict then taking shelter behind your ability to problematize the people trying to hold you accountable.
Motherfucker, I didn't come into your house to start conflict! I posted in my own comm, in my own instance! Y'all came into my space and made your insecurities my fucking problem by shitting all over the floor en-masse (not brigading doe) and then you have the gall to argue that I'm "behaving cynically" when I'm using coping mechanisms to avoid my autism making me waste 1 whole week wasting my time arguing with terminally online tankies?
Been there, done that, wrote the meme, learned from the experience.
You have no idea what you're talking about. You're like those fucking stans of online personas who go and reply on the target du-jour and then whine "but I only left one reasonable comment, why the bad reaction? Come see the tolerant left."
I don't give a fuck that you're autistic. Not only we're not the same, but you're not in the same situation. Gaslighting me that my coping mechanism is "just cynicism" or "cowardice" is just defending ableism like the rest of your allies.
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Motherfucker, I didn't come into your house to start conflict!
your posts get federated onto my feed, and honestly this comm sometimes has good memes so it feels super yucky to see a first-grade tier "le epic tankie ownage" meme when I take a look here. It reminds me of /r/196.
I guess there's a lot to be learned for all of us from this experience
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Accusing the victims of ableism of being ablest. It's how they keep themselves in the right while shaming those they harm.
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You're doing the same cynical thing right now. You're just obstinately finding any reason to oppose Hexbear regardless of how valid it is!
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I've seen them using ableist slurs, i try to report them when they do.
Such radical leftists they just use disabilities as insults.
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Users here were banned for ableism, start there.
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So that completely refutes your own point. You do realize that right?
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No, it was db0 mods banning people for ableism. And these accounts haven't been banned on hexbear.
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But I guess them following their own words is too much effort to ask them to "take ableism seriously" or something.
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No, they were banned on this community for it and not Hexbear. Please read and use your intelligence.
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And that guy who pretends that hexbear doesn't tolerate ableism while you can hear crickets from them when Yog-something is, to paraphrase him, "calling into question the functioning of someone’s brain [which] is pretty neuronormative" in every other dot ml's c/worldnews' post... Pure gold 🤣
Edit: I can't see replies from hexbear on piefed, but I'm still lurking the thread on db0.
So, Sphere laddie:
Yogthos isn’t a Hexbear, and .ml’s worldnews comm is not a Hexbear comm. Good try, though!
Since when did that prevent you folks from jumping at someone's throat? You called out that pedo mod I don't remember the name, then Nutransphobic. What prevents you from calling out Yogthos if not a lax stance on ableism?
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Yogthos isn't a Hexbear, and .ml's worldnews comm is not a Hexbear comm. Good try, though!
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Since when does that stop Hexbear from calling out people on Lemmy?
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There's probably a million comments made every day across Lemmy that Hexbear doesn't make an endorsement or condemnation of. Are we supposed to be the Lemmy police? We call out some stuff that gets directed our way, sometimes we call out things that are directed more generally that we think are bigoted or problematic, but unless you're arguing that we have a responsibility to police every interaction on the platform and pick a side to endorse every time, I don't see the problem here.
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Well seeing the moment someone calls out authoritarian socialist policies y'all jump to defending them, I think y'all could stand to use the same energy to do something slightly better.
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If we had to intervene every time someone used problematic language (and I'm not talking slurs, way more subtle things) then we would literally have to go on a crusade in every single thread ever. You're not being a serious person if you really think this is a reasonable thing to expect.
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You called out that pedo mod I don't remember the name, then Nutransphobic. What prevents you from calling out Yogthos if not a lax stance on ableism?
Not to excuse ableism, but there's a pretty big difference between a mod going to bat for allowing drawn or AI generated CP, an admin actively espousing transphobic views (and this was called out most actively by Marcie, who is an ml user, though Hexbear joined in on criticism), and a user that might use problematic language sometimes. I mean, first of all, if you do take this seriously then why not show us some examples of what this user is doing that we're failing to call out? It really helps to make your criticism actionable.
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Not to excuse ableism, but
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Did you read the comment?
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"We take ableism very seriously, we just don't ban people who are on our instance for it." - Hexbear
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Can you point to some specific time that Hexbear's mod team or admin team should have banned someone or removed their comments for ableism and didn't?
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Check the mod logs here, several people have had their messages removed for ableism.
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Scrolled through the modlog. The only one I found (and maybe there's more, I had to go through a few pages) was Professor Owl, who was arguing with db0 after db0 said the reason they posted bait then ran away by telling everyone with solid arguments to disengage was their autism. That's not something autism makes you do. I can see the "arguing compulsively" part, but the whole "running away and telling everyone that shows up with actual evidence against my claims to shut up" is not autism, it's just cowardice.
Edit: just to spell it out: Arguing compulsively as a result of your autism is fine. It's something I experience, too. I totally sympathize. But when people show you evidence that you're wrong, the correct thing to do (ND or NT doesn't matter) is to change your views. If you're stubborn to the point that you'd rather humiliate yourself by spamming "disengage" after starting a million arguments, you're gonna get laughed at. Just admit that you made an incorrect claim, it won't kill you.
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The fifth upvoted hexbear promoting ableism and denigrating the disengage rule. Great showing of their supposed intolerance of ableism, for sure.
And this is after I painstakingly explained to this person why this is ableist to the point where they had nothing more to say. So instead they just repeated their made-up assumptions elsewhere, going directly against what I explained I was doing, because it just wouldn't be hexbear if bad faith wasn't the modus operanti.
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But Hexbear told me they don't tolerate ableism and they aren't being bad faith at all!!!
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!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works is full of em
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here's all the results for "ableism" inside that comm. Many of them are from a 10 month old thread where the OP is no longer visible. I guess it's possible that the ableism referenced is coming from someone aligned with Hexbear or Lemmygrad, but it seems more likely that they're just discussing ableism pretty generally.
Can you provide an example, if that comm really is full of them elsewhere?
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A good communist is suspicious of all leaders. Because nobody fucks the working class like leaders
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Well said!
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Distrusting the vanguard is counterrevolutionary
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