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You want examples of systemic racism?
- Poverty is inherited and it's impossible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Black people in America are poor because they used to be slaves
- White cultural traditions are legal in Australia. Many aboriginal cultural traditions have been made illegal in Australia due to land ownership changes
- Black people are under-represented in universities, so the university scientists building facial recognition apps aren't building them to work on black people
- Schools teach their lessons in english. Multilingual students who don't speak english at home often have a disadvantage in lessons that will be felt their whole lives
- Children of illegal immigrants may have never received identification such as a birth certificate and it can be hard to get this as an adult
- Whenever the police use robotic and computer systems to detect criminals the AI ends up racial profiling and harassing black people
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Poverty is inherited and it's impossible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Black people in America are poor because they used to be slaves
That's capitalism's fault. Poor white kids would face the same issues.
Black people are under-represented in universities, so the university scientists building facial recognition apps aren't building them to work on black people
That's just a lack of data points and not a system constructed by anyone. The data points should be increasing naturally.
Schools teach their lessons in english. Multilingual students who don't speak english at home often have a disadvantage in lessons that will be felt their whole lives
It'd be awesome if we can just solve language barriers generally. Before we can do that having a single official language in working situations seems to be not avoidable for productivity.
Children of illegal immigrants may have never received identification such as a birth certificate and it can be hard to get this as an adult
Not related to racism.
Whenever the police use robotic and computer systems to detect criminals the AI ends up racial profiling and harassing black people
Is this happening? I think it's straight out wrong to predict criminals with AI trained on previous data.
All in all I agree that many of the existing systems sucks but I don't think it's helpful to link every problem to racism. Disclaimer: I'm not black or white
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That’s just a lack of data points and not a system constructed by anyone. The data points should be increasing naturally.
But why is the data lacking in the first place?
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Lack of public black faces as suggested by previous comment? That's not a "system" tho, which would imply something like a policy to reject black faces as learning data.
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You're way too smart for this site, I thought reddit echo chambers were bad
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Is this happening
There are a bunch of articles about it. Here's one about it in general
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/15/technology/artificial-intelligence-google-bias.html
And one with a few examples of ai used in criminal justice
https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/5-algorithms-that-demonstrate-artificial-intelligence-bias/
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Schools teach their lessons in english.
When you have to pick a language to teach in, isn't this the best language to teach in though, in a predominantly English speaking society?
I don't think segregating classes into separate language-based ones would be a good idea. That leaves kids not speaking English at home nor at school in an even bigger disadvantage in terms of learning English and we need we need kids of all different backgrounds mixing together so that they may understand and accept one another.
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The solution are extra English lessons for both the kids and the parents, and financial support so that the parents can afford the time to learn English at these classes
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That's a good solution, yes.
Though good luck convincing governments, that continue to cut funding for important social programs like these, to bother supporting minorities in schools.
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I'd add for the "school in English/dominant spoken language" part (because compared to the other it doesn't seem that bad) in a quite a few cases it stems from a previous active effort to suppress a culture that was never really 'fixed', not simply just "eh I don't understand so why do I have to cater for it?".
If you're European, chances are you can name a good few examples that happened in your borders, both as something you did or something that was used against you
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People are still fighting welsh in schools
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Poverty: Same thing for any people of any race the most important part is their ability to get an education that'll get them out of it while having stability, slavery has nothing to do with it.
Australia: I live in Australia what are you talking about?!
Black people are up to 4 times more likely to be accepted in American medical universities due to diversity quotas https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/med.png
Of course schools teach in the language of the country they are in do you expect them to teach in 5 different languages?!
It makes sense that the government doesn't want to encourage illegal immigration.
So facial recognition doesn't work on black people but ai facial recognition can discriminate against them?
Seriously it seems that your taking all this out of your imagination.
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Of course schools teach in the language of the country they are in do you expect them to teach in 5 different languages?!
Over here we have schools which teach completely in Danish and hand out both German and Danish graduation papers, we have schools offering native-level classes in Frisian... Frisians don't really care about more they've always been bilingual. Even more so our Sinti, they don't want to see the language in schools at all but teach it inside the family, they've also always been bilingual. Frankly speaking we're doing more for our autochthone minorities language-wise than we do for ourselves, which would be protecting Low Saxon against the steady onslaught of Standard German.
But, no, we won't start teaching whatever Portuguese just because you arrived here recently and speak Portuguese. Best results are achieved when kids learn the majority language in kindergarten, on the playground, in school, while still speaking their parent's native language at home as that ensures that they're learning both languages properly. It's a matter of experience: Back in the 60s Turkish parents were told to speak German with their kids at home and the result was that the kids learned broken German and their Turkish sucks. That's not just a matter of not knowing those two languages properly as they never learned any languages properly there's measurable developmental delays.
Transposing that to America you should have plenty of schools teaching in native languages. Of course don't mandate everything being taught like that as that would segregate minorities, but things like maths in English and history in Lakota or whatever make perfect sense.
Circling back to black folks: It's high time AAVE is recognised as a proper variety of English. None of that "you're doing grammar wrong", or (in courts) "we'll pretend that you speak Standard English thus not provide a translator, then misunderstand you (tenses and aspects be hard) and lock you up based on that". If a decent number of your students speak AAVE natively it'd also be high time to teach its grammar on a native level, that can happen in ordinary English classes it's, after all, English.
So facial recognition doesn’t work on black people but ai facial recognition can discriminate against them?
Bias in data is always a problem. Take me: I have legs. I'm a man. Supposedly, when I buy trousers made for men they should fit me but all the data that clothing designers have seems to indicate all men are storks so I have to buy trousers for overweight people and then hem ass and waist. And I don't even fucking work out. Soap dispenser doesn't work for you because noone ever bothered to test it on black skin? Same shit just affecting a historically oppressed minority. Personally I wouldn't even call it an issue as it tends to get sorted out very quickly once the bias is spotted, unlike my issue which noone seems to care about because y'all are fucking storks.
As to the police thing: No it's really an issue in the US and it's not systemic racism it's plain racism. Policy makers know all too well that overpolicing breeds crime yet they do it and then say "we need to overpolice even more because black people do so much crime".
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Americans already struggle to teach English to their people and you want to have them teach dying tongues?
Only 79% of Americans were literate in 2022 from 91% in the 60s
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And yet black people only make up 7% of med school matriculants. Given that roughly 14% of the us population is black, this indicates a systemic issue preventing black people from achieving a level of educetion to even apply to med school.
Meanwhile, white people have entry rates as expected for their proportion of the general population, and asian applicants have entry rates twice what you would expect: 12% of the population is taking 22% of the seats.
These numbers are American, but thats also the country where "diversity quotas" are an issue. What we can see from the outcomes is that the opportunity is given out unequally from the very beginning, and thus even with an entrance process with a bias towards black people, the system as a whole is so biased against black people that half as many are able to participate
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Jerry mandering
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Someone should tell Jerry to stop that
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structural poverty spanning generations, the legacy of redlining, a massive transfer of wealth out of the hands of the Black community, worse schools in the urban core, etc, etc, etc
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