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Biden asks Congress for $40 billion to support Ukraine, replenish US disaster aid and bolster border

apnews.com Biden asks Congress for $40 billion to support Ukraine, replenish US disaster aid and bolster border

The Biden administration is asking Congress to provide more than $13 billion in emergency defense aid to Ukraine and an additional $8 billion for humanitarian support through the end of the year.

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It's always funny seeing people post that image without the context that Palestine declared war on Israel alongside all its neighbours and attempted to push the Israeli population into the sea.
- And Ukraine kept shelling civilians in Donetsk despite signing Minsk 2.
  And that's not even taking into account that Israel has continued to annex new land despite it not being a war.
- The correct response to a settler colonial ethnostate being founded in your region by Britain is to try to destroy it.
  
  Which excuses attempted genocide?
  
  i wouldnt call it an attempt, Israel is sure as hell succeeding in killing and displacing a lot of Palestinian civilians and also running the world's largest open air prison
  
  Ending the existence of an illegitimate country built on stolen land has nothing to do with genocide. You're doing the fascist ethnostate thing where you act like a state and its people are the same thing. States come and go, people remain, the ending of a state has nothing to do with harming people.
  
  The Palestinians have the stated goal of murdering the Israeli people as well as ending the Israeli state
  
  Ending the Israeli state is not ending the people. Fuck off. 21% of the "Israeli people" are arab you fucking racist shit, but you're not including them when you say "Israeli" are you? No.
  I absolutely will not apologise for calling you racist. Whether you know this fact and are saying this shit knowingly or whether you're just utterly oblivious to what the conditions are in Israel doesn't matter. Oblivious racism is still racism.
  
  If the Israeli state is destroyed, what happens to the Israeli people?
  
  What the fuck do you think happens when a country ends? The people magically disappear? Jesus fucking christ.
  When we communists successfully end america do you also think we're aiming to perform unlimited genocide on the population? Are you out of your mind? Am I as a UK resident communist trying to murder the population of the UK by ending the British state?
  Fuck me liberals are completely politically illiterate. Please read some god damn books instead of white billionaire-owned media and reddit comment sections.
  
  Do you really genuinely believe that the current Palestinian leadership would not perpetrate a genocide against the Israel people if they had the power and opportunity to do so?
  The destruction of the state of Israel to be replaced by a fair socialist democratic order would obviously be a positive outcome, but there is no entity in Israeli, Palestine or the entire region with even the remotest hope of accomplishing that.
  The Israeli government is largely a house of neoliberals and fascists, and the Palestinian governments are various flavours of theocracies and ethnocracies, some with a socialist history but they are certainly not socialist now.
  liberals
  How dare you
- Well Israel is an ethnostate so it doesn't deserve to exist.
  
  Palestine is and was an ethnocracy. They're hardly any better.
  
  Israel literally funded the far right extremist organizations because they'd rather fight them than socialist resistance. It's Israel's fault they're like that.
  
  And I suppose they managed this even before Israel came into existence? They have always been like this. The original leaders of the Palestinian government in the Arab-Israeli war were largely fascist anti-communist agitators.
  It might very generously be Israel's fault that they're still like this, but that does not change the reality of the situation.
  
  It might very generously be Israel's fault that they're still like this
  That is what I'm saying and that is what matters.
  but that does not change the reality of the situation.
  The reality is that Israel is a settler colonial ethnostate genociding Palestinians and it shouldn't exist.
  
  Sure, it shouldn't have been created, but it's here now, and the majority of people living in it were born there. We can't make it go away by wishful thinking.
  
  Do you think dissolving Israel would require relocating everyone? Thats like saying the only way to fight white supremacy in the US is to kill or relocate all the white people.
  
  History has proven time and again that given the opportunity, the nation's bordering Israel in every direction (save possibly Lebanon) will try to either annex Israel or restore the entirety of it to an Arab nationalist muslim government.
  Should such an event come to pass, the displacement of the entire population would be a best case scenario. The Jewish population of Syria and Jordan are both zero, and Egypt's is less than 20, down from several hundred thousand between the three in 1948.
  There is no way to interpret the Hama's charter other than incitement to genocide.
  The major factors preventing another Arab-Israeli war are tensions with Iran, Billions of dollars in US military aid, and the nuclear weapons likely owned by the Israeli state.
  Dissolve the Israeli state, and unless you replace with something similar, and those factors will no longer stand. Compromise the territorial integry of the new state to any serious degree, including ceding the west bank to a Palestinian state, and Israel becomes militarily indefensible.
  
  "Israel has to do genocide or the people Israel funded might to genocide"
  You know Israel could just try to be a pluralistic society that doesn't do genocide or apartheid right? But then it wouldn't really be Israel would it?
  
  How exactly could Israel try to be a pluralistic society? Neither side will accept a one state solution.
- "The indigenous americans shouldn't have fought back against the settlers if they didn't want to get exterminated."

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