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There's actually no significant political trend or ideology in active shooters they run the gamut politically and ideologically and religiously.
But you're right it was not a drag queen. 😃
- Hate to be so cliche, but got links? My duckduck searches def highlighted white males, but I couldnt find much about idealogy/politcal trends in our active shooters.
  
  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1384790/motivations-of-mass-shooters-us/
  https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-07/what-role-does-ideology-play-in-mass-shootings
  Here are just two sources from a preliminary search.
  You are correct the extreme vast majority like in the 94th percentile are white males that commit mass shootings.
  I was able to find that a lot of them have links to extremism specifically right wing extremism but ultimately almost all of them again in the 90th percentile were suicidal in a state of crisis and had some sort of mental illness coupled with all of that.
  The actual primary reason why they shootings happen is due to mental illness almost exclusively.
  There's definitely some correlation between right-wing extremism and even more specifically magas but not enough to exclusively blame the shootings on that.
  Supplementary, I did find one or two not very good sources that indicate there have been an uptick of mass shootings specifically due to Donald Trump's re-election. But like I said these were not good sources.
  
  Thanks
  
  paywalled
  
  I didn't have an issue personally. But I apologize for the inconvenience?
  
  archive.is is your friend
- Bending reality to fit your cult views. Would love some sources or data to back that up. But you magats don't give that.
  
  I donno man. Maybe do a Google search, heck ask chatgpt if you're super lazy.
  https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-07/what-role-does-ideology-play-in-mass-shootings
  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1384790/motivations-of-mass-shooters-us/
  But here you go. Sources.
  Since I'm not lazy I'll just go ahead and tell you what the results of those sources are.
  The extreme vast majority of mass shooters are white males are mentally ill, suicidal and are in a state of crisis days or hours before the shooting occurs.
  Extremism plays a role in the shootings but not necessarily right wing extremism although in recent years there has been a small uptick in right wing extremist motivated shootings.
  None of the sources good ones or bad ones link specifically magas to mass shootings although there have been Mass shooters that identified as such. There have also been plenty of mass shooters that identified as extremist left wing.
  The LA times article goes into detail specifically about that.
  I highly recommend you stop making assumptions about random people you comment to on the internet.
  One day many many decades and centuries from now internet archaeologists are going to be looking at this exchange and you're going to come off as extremely ignorant.
  What's more is that you don't give a crap about the mass shooters you just want Mass shooters to fit your world view which is apparently that all magas are bad which exemplifies your ignorance.
  
  First of all you gave me 2 examples of shooters and expect that to be significant. Second I didn't say mass shooters were all Maga. Again bending reality to be the persecuted party. Maga is just focused on the wrong things. Exemplified by the fact that mass shootings are typically depressed white males. Why is it that 90%+ are male and 50%+ are white? Why can we immediately have a legislature to ban reading books to kids from drag queens or deport without due process. But yet when it comes to mental health or gun control we have nothing. BeCaUsE tHe CoNsTiTuTion. You know what kills the most kids in america? Not cancer, not cars, not accidents. Guns. This one was done with his moms gun. How was that not properly locked away. I'm not the ignorant one. https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings Here's an actual study.
  
  https://polisci.barnard.edu/sites/default/files/inline-files/Emily%20Kramer%20-%20Right-Wing%20Extremism%20and%20Mass%20Shootings%20in%20the%20United%20States.pdf
  Studying recent mass shootings(which account for the majority of them) its only becoming more skewed towards right wing extremism
  
  hey I'm confused by what you linked. you're trying to say there's a pattern, right? since the person you're responding to was just saying "there's no pattern". but the data in this source really didn't jump out at me as saying a particular demographic was responsible. (besides males...) like yeah they were 50% white but that's the majority demographic so of course a wide distribution will have high pct white. I mean the age range was 11-70!!
  I'm just confused at why you're so mad at this person and calling them a maggot when you're literally agreeing with each other. are you in crisis?
  It's a complicated and nuanced issue and not one we can easily solve by targeting specific groups. you're right, the best thing to do is deal with the guns. I dont think ive seen anyone here disagree with that
  
  So the data i posted initially was from 1966 to 2019. Using that data this person would be correct. However they state that 20% of mass shootings have occurred in the last 5 years. The link i posted afterwards is a more recent analysis of mass shootings in that 5 year span where we can clearly see more right wing white males are the perpetrators. The bigger issue and what i addressed is that regardless of what excuse maga have they still ignore it. Even if you ignore that theyre the biggest perpetrators of this in recent years, they still haven't done anything about the issues for the last 50+ years. They ignore mental health, gun laws, etc. Instead they ban drag book readings and deport against court orders. Yet kids arent dying from drag book readings. I do not agree with this person and they are very much wrong. Its not really a complicated issue. Expanding access to mental healthcare and placing reasonable gun laws would slash this drastically. But current maga admin are actively cutting mental health access and refuse to touch guns. A study i would like to see is if in recent years maga are suffering from more mental health disorders. It would make their projections of TDS make a lot more sense.
  
  I don't think he actually read my comment because I addressed everything he said. He basically regurgitated the facts I provided in my comment like they were his own.
  I think he just wants to hit certain talking points i don't think hes actually reading any of the responses.
  🤷
  
  Did you actually read anything I wrote?
  I totally agree with everything you're saying here.
  My original comment was that there isn't any common political thread between mass shooters.
  And you're the one calling me a maga when I'm not. I hate the state of my country right now our politics are ass backwards.
  
  Read my comment. You're talking about all time. Since maga movement there absolutely is political motivation. And if you're not maga don't defend them.
  
  At no point did I defend maga. Even other people have told you this. You just asserted it randomly. You made an assumption out of the blue.
  Evidence was presented to you that active shooters do not use politics as a primary motivator and the ones that have politics as a motivator aren't exclusively motivated by maga rhetoric.
  The primary motivator is mental illness.
  But here you are screaming at windmills about gun control. Like it's so simple all you have to do is make new laws provide adequate mental healthcare inact gun control nation wide and poof it'll all go away as long as whatever political party you don't like just shuts up.
  Christ on a stick anything that opposes the bandwagon on lemmy and people like you crawl out of the woodwork. It's freaking exhausting. Go crawl back under whatever rock you came out of!
  
  Yeah its so hard only 36 other countries have done it. The evidence you provided was comparing 2 shooters. More evidence was provided that a majority of shooters in recent years(which is also a majority of shootings) are right wing. I showed you were wrong. This isn't a bandwagon issue. Its common sense. Maga promotes violence. We've seen this on january 6th, the pardons issued, and with the illegal removal of undocumented immigrants. Maga also wants to "protect the kids" by attacking certain groups but their group is the biggest perpetrators of mass shootings. Which you refute against all evidence. If youre going to ignore evidence and continue to be this dense youre only going to continue this issue.
  
  The evidence suggests that there is no trend in political ideology with Mass shooters. The majority of them are not right wing.
  In fact the data collected only monitors political extremisum not nuanced affiliations of those politics whether they're right-leaning or left.
  Again others in this thread have confirmed as much.
  And once more i do not disagree with you in gun control.
  The only the only thing you seem to not want to admit is that the primary issue is metal illness and the lack of mental health in the United States.
  I am aware the American has the most mass shooting in the world. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove to me.
- how dare you try to implant a tracking device into my rectum i will have your bladder removed for this you hostile invader
  since we're making random accusations against you that have nothing to do with the comment you made
  
  Thank you. I made my night! 😂😂

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