Capitalism is the root of evil
Capitalism is the root of evil
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I don’t get why every Reddit alternative needs to be filled with these weird political ideas. Communism, Fascism and every other form of extremism only leads to misery.
I’m sure capitalism is flawed, but you can make it work better. Any of the Nordic countries works as a great example. And no they aren’t perfect but nothing ever will be.
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Reddit is state controlled media. You're seeing weird ideas outside of it because you're allowed to now
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For your first question, Lemmy is developed by Communists, and is an answer to the Capitalist failings of Reddit. Simple as that.
For the Capitalism bit, you're waving away the fact thay the Nordic countries are Imperialist. They shift all of the suffering and worst exploitation to the Global South. At the same time, worker's rights and safety nets are being eroded, because Capital controls the state, not the people.
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Please explain the way in which the Nordic countries are imperialist and exploitative and which country you personally look for moral guidance? And if there is none what makes you think we are capable of building a system that wouldn’t be exploitative by your grandiose unrealistic standards? Workers rights and safety nets are far beyond any other country in the world and in fact they’ve essentially never been better. The only change is that populists like you have given up on building and improving the system which in fact does require everyone to commit to improving society together, not just whining in a basement about some socialist utopia that is never going to happen.
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Here are some good resources others have compiled on the Nordic Model in general:
- What about social democracy / democratic socialism / the Nordic model? Isn't Sweden socialist?
- On the unraveling of the Nordic welfare states: increasing inequality and forced austerity.
- Scandinavia's covert role in western imperialism
Essentially, Finland (and Imperialist countries in general) operate on a principle of unequal exchange. By leveraging mechanisms like IMF loans with clauses requiring privatization of resources and industry for foreign capture, to relying on overseas production to super-exploit for super-profits, to simply relying on high interest rates on foreign loans, Imperialist countries consume more of the Global South's value than they provide the Global South.
As for which countries I think are headed in the right direction, I like the PRC quite a bit. It's certainly not perfect and it has a long way to go, but it's making rapid improvements and doesn't rely on Imperialism to provide for its people. And Socialism does exist, already, though nobody is genuinely waiting for a magical Utopian version of it.
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Are you joking with China or am I talking with a bot?
China is a massive massive loan shark to emerging economies and is literally one of the largest IMF backers. Although once again you’re sound very conspiracy theorist here blaming the IMF which the entire world is a member essentially. If you look at voting power China alone has more than every Nordic country combined.
China literally exploits not only their own people but everyone who’s weaker than them. You’re seriously commenting in bad faith here.
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China doesn't operate in that way. China is a country focused on selling goods it produces, ergo it cares more to have customers. The BRI and BRICs exist purely to build up more customers, it's neither charity nor Imperialism. Countries enter it in exchange for large infrastructural build up, in order for China to have new customers that aren't the West, who as we observe are quite fickle to work with. As this article from The Atlantic puts it, The "Chinese Debt Trap" is a Myth.
The IMF is absolutely to blame for requiring loan recipients to privatize their key industries for foreign plundering, and the US is the worst among the biggest lenders.
No, I'm not being bad faith here. You're stonewalling and relying on false assumptions, which I have already pointed out.
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Communism is no more extreme than capitalism. They just stand in opposition of one another. The red scare is back I guess.
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I would say we have seen both extremes and we like neither and some people think a third alternative is "killing everyone else" can we not?
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What are you on about with “red scare”? You can simply look at the poor attempts made in the name of communism to see how well that idea succeeds in practice. Simple solutions to complex issues never work. Communism is an extreme ideology based on the oversimplification of complex like every other form of populism.
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The bible is also a long book, does that make it believable to you?
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You said Communism was based on oversimplification, now you're saying it's suspicious for being long? Make up your mind.
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You’re saying it’s not simplistic just because it has a lot of words. Please refer to my other post on why it’s Marxism is a ridiculous and frankly childish theory.
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No, I'm saying it's not simplistic because I've read a lot of Marx, Engels, Lenin, and from many, many, many more Communist leaders and theorists since them.
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Right and you keep equating reading a lot of material as a basis of complexity, which it simply isn’t. The quantity of theory does not equate to quality. Once again please refer to my previous point about the Bible or the absolute plethora of religious research that mankind has produced which does not lead to any kind of truth and has lacks any kind of complexity other than God is the greatest and do as he says. One can pretend to find complexities as much as they want but the outcome is always the same, a useless fiction.
There is nothing remarkable about Marxism other than a way to create a whole new set of problems. There is literally zero concrete evidence of the supposed benefits of Marxism other than for redistribution of power from one set of assholes to another, I think we’ve seen that enough times at this point.
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I don't equate quantity to complexity, you have simply not made a genuine point on why it oversimplifies besides vibe. I have explained that I experienced the complexity of theory because I read it regularly, and you haven't.
Marxism is remarkable because it's true, and is the guiding ideology of several existing Socialist states that came with massive improvements for the Working Class, including the soon to be world's largest economy (already there if adjusting for PPP) and eradicator of poverty, the PRC.
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Communism is not a simple solution, nor does it oversimplify the problem. What do you mean when you say this?
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Well don’t you think it’s a bit simple to pin every single problem in the world on property rights and a conspiracy theory level class divide between proletariats and “bourgeoisie”? It’s ann exhausting ordeal to hear all these complaints when humanity has never been at a more advanced point than it is now despite all its flaws.
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How on Earth is it a conspiracy theory to say that business owners and employees exist? What exists in your mind palace?
Plus, Marx notes that Capitalism is progressive compared with feudalism, but has come with its own new problems that Socialism resolves.
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Are you serious? Do you not understand the concept that you can be an employee today and business owner tomorrow? How do you not understand the irony that suddenly once you start your own business you’re an exploitative devil and as long as you stay as an employee you’re somehow a better person? Don’t you realize what moronic baiting that is? Humanity never learns from populists it seems, whether it’s Trump or Lenin, it’s all the same.
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Marx never for a single second suggested that Class is an immutable characteristic.
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Capitalism is a form of extremism
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