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One party deserves criticism for being insufficient. One party deserves nothing but scorn and opposition.

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This is the response of someone with a false comfort in thinking they'll come for you last. I said my peace.
If you're not doing anything on the ground to resist ICE then you should. That's my point.
I'm not gonna argue anything more than that. Name me an organization resisting ICE that you would advocate for. I'd love to list more names in the future. What organization can I list that doesn't get labeled as a "Tankie" of "Muslim Terrorist" organization from you?
Please. Please give me a group I can list for people like you to go outside?
Please give people reading this comment thread an alternative. Please. Because otherwise your criticism helps no one.
I don't care if it's PSL, DSA, or a Harley Davidson motorcycle gang. If you're not advocating FOR some form of resistance and only criticizing the ones that exist. You are supporting ICE in your inaction while asking others to be inactive as well.
- This is the response of someone with a false comfort in thinking they’ll come for you last.
  lmao
  I’m not gonna argue anything more than that.
  Clearly you did, though. You preferred to argue that Ukrainian genocide doesn't matter because Ukraine is 'oligarch controlled'. Presumably Palestinian genocide doesn't matter since Hamas is also 'oligarch controlled'. You also said that the position of a resistance group on genocide doesn't matter - presumably this means you're willing to unite with Zionists against American fascism? Or is solidarity only mandatory when it's about ignoring the genocides you support?
  Please. Please give me a group I can list for people like you to go outside?
  I'm involved in local groups. They're a bunch of 'shitlibs' to you lot, no doubt, but considering your primary form of praxis is ensuring that fascists get elected wherever and whenever you can, I'm not sure that your opinions really count for much.
  
  List the organizations please. People would benefit from that. That's all I'm trying to do in this comment thread. Im not gonna engage in your derailment and false comparisons.
  Your criticism was of PSL. And my point is that people should go organize and actually learn from the people in these organizations. Your comment only serves to keep people from organizing. It doesn't give an alternative. Give an alternative.
  
  List the organizations please.
  Unless I wanted to dox my location, that'd be unwise. I can, however, recommend your local scawwy Dem clubs for resources, as well as your local ACLU chapter for how to get involved in ways that are meaningful, even if no one throws a molotov cocktail (or pretends that they will, eventually, someday). And maybe you'll meet up with folks you can make serious plans with in the process.
  Or you can LARP and do nothing of substance to people who actually need your help in this trying time - legal, economic, and medical resources.
  That’s all I’m trying to do in this comment thread. Im not gonna engage in your derailment and false comparisons.
  Yeah, that's what I thought. Your only conception of 'solidarity' is 'everyone agrees with me and no one dissents; otherwise, I'll support fascists', and 'Everything I say is objectively correct; I have no obligation to acknowledge anyone else's viewpoint'.
  But hey, at least you can continue being utterly ineffective just like the past 70 years of leftists in this country. Maybe, if we ever emerge from this fascist hellscape, you can kneecap the next leftist candidate that's put forward for being insufficiently pure and murder a few million more minorities in the process. After all, they matter less than your need to feel pure, right?
  
  Thanks. For giving some advice on how people get organized. Even if it had to come with a lot of condescending jabs at other people that organize. My entire point is trying to get people to go outside and do something.
  No one's LARPing in real life man. We're doing stuff that materially helps people. Keep your criticism of sweaty Tankies on Twitter/Reddit to the online world. That's not how things work when you work with people face to face. And it's definitely not at all representative of PSL and DSA.
  Good luck with your local organizing and stay safe from ICE.
  
  Thanks. For giving some advice on how people get organized. Even if it had to come with a lot of condescending jabs at other people that organize.
  This you?
  If you sit by looking for the “politically pure” form of resistance to fascism you will always sit on a “holier than thou” fence of Liberalism.
  When it comes to insisting that others need to 'go outside' or how only your preferred ideologies are involved in 'resisting' or in accusing others of genocide support, you lot are predictably pugnacious, but whenever any of your own rhetoric is turned around on you, you bawl and cry about how mean it is.
  No one’s LARPing in real life man.
  Hard disagree. I've met people who LARP in real life. They're not that different than they are online. That is to say, normal people who've taken a purist position with the same fanaticism that Christian evangelicals do, and with the same eager-yet-moribund eschatology.
  Keep your criticism of sweaty Tankies on Twitter/Reddit to the online world.
  Man, I avoid tankies in the real world. They're far fewer and it's much easier.
  Unfortunately for you, most people left-of-center by US standards in the USA are going to be the dreaded libs, so if you're actually looking to build resistance to fascism, you may end up needing to work with them, or their orgs, or even exercise solidarity with their causes.
  And it’s definitely not at all representative of PSL and DSA.
  While I've not met actual members of PSL IRL, I have definitely met members of DSA, and they're a mixed bag for the reasons stated.
  
  Damn you really just wanna beef online don't you. Good luck mate. I tried.
  
  Sorry that I didn't care for your Ukrainian genocide apologia.
  
  I really think you should learn to read because I literally never said anything about it.
  
  I really think you should learn to read because I literally never said anything about it.
  This you?
  Yeah when ICE is taking away my neighbors I always make sure to vet my resistance groups to make sure they have my same exact view on a conflict between two oligarch controlled nations. /s
  Was this what you were responding to?
  Ah yes, “Palestinian genocide is bad but Ukrainian genocide is good”
  
  Alright. I feel bad now. You just actually don't understand how to read subtext and what is being implied through the use of sarcasm. Like that's literally what I meant by "learning to read" and you just proved my point. That sentence literally says nothing about my opinions on Ukraine and Russias conflict.
  I feel like I'm having a conversation with a child at this point. I have to stop. But it's kind of funny now.
  
  I gotta say Pug Jesus, damn you have some trash needlessly condescending af takes.

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