Echoing Trump, Canada's Conservative Leader Vows to Deport Pro-Palestine Activists
Echoing Trump, Canada's Conservative Leader Vows to Deport Pro-Palestine Activists
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You don't need to vote Conservative or Liberal. Just vote for NDP.
This is wrong! Unless you are OK with letting the country become a reactionary vassal state of the US empire, we need to vote strategically. First check whether your riding needs strategic voting (or via https://smartvoting.ca/ or https://www.strategicvoting.ca/, and you can cross check with your preferred polling reports -- e.g. https://338canada.com/). If it does not, only then vote for whoever without throwing your vote away.
We need a progressive coalition.
I mean with how hard conservatives are getting trounced (see https://smartvoting.ca/) it seems voting your conscience is viable because a liberal majority is guaranteed anyway.
It always depends where you live, splitting the vote in certain regions might lead to a Liberal minority.
Just to be clear, the bad ending here isn't a liberal minority; it's a conservative majority. A minority government of liberals + third parties is the best possibility for a government.
A minority that can send us back into an early election is risky with the current US situation though
Maybe but consider: Unrestrained liberal rule will simply lead to a conservative majority later on. The only way to beat fascism is a government that actually works for the people, and a liberal majority isn't that.
I’d chime in that the minority government up until this election has finally gotten us dental care and the foundations for pharmacare, which weren’t delivered during the last Liberal majority.
Sure, but we're not getting any new social programs while Trump is cratering the economy anyway so in this case we need a stable government to hold strong in front of an ally turned enemy.
A majority government doesn’t guarantee stability beyond the surface, and if our own internal issues don’t also get sufficiently addressed, we’re only buying 4 years which may not be enough time to stem the flow of populism which a prolonged economic downturn with a continually faltering safety net is a perfect recipe for a conservative majority.
I doubt the American situation would be resolved within 4 years, but giving one party all the power could sow a lot more discontent amongst ourselves than a government losing support and triggering an early election which could be for the better (again, even with the American situation, a majority government wouldn’t guarantee anything other than buying 4 years which might not be what’s needed if things go past that timeframe)
splitting the vote in certain regions might lead to a Liberal minority
Good, the Liberals usually need to have their arm twisted by the NDP
Worth noting that https://smartvoting.ca/ projects a better outcome for greens, NDP, and libs using strategic voting. But I respect your view, and in general I agree that a minority lib government in coalition with the NDP would be preferable. But with what is at stake, it just seems like too big a risk IMO to not be really clearly working the levers of power that are available to progressives.
I would also really encourage us to not spread complacency and an assumption that the polling will foretell outcomes. Polling in the current climate has proven to be really iffy (see https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-polls-were-mostly-wrong/). Demographic shifts, new media and habits, and generally instability make this stuff really unpredictable. We should vote like our country depends on it.
Just vote for NDP.
Yess. Hey, if you can get Canada to split the vote with our own Jagmeet version of Stein, do you get paid in Rubles or Greenbacks?
That's a silly american-centric way of understanding Canadian politics. There are ridings where the LPC is the spoiler in an NDP-CPC race or in a BQ-CPC race. Use your brain, don't parrot Americanisms.
The NDP are more likely to win than the Liberals in some ridings, it's not comparable to the US where any vote not for one of the main two is wasted.
Okay it makes sense to not want to split the vote, but Jagmeet isn't Canada's Stein. He actually has electotal victories under his belt, for one.
I guess everyone thinks Canada is a 2 party system... Which it isn't. My province voted Conservative, with NDP coming 2nd, during the first elections.