Skip Navigation

You're viewing a single thread.

138 comments

  • So without capitalism, AI would not be obfuscating the sources of ideas, mischaracterizing the content of works, polluting communication channels with vapid slop, enticing emotionally-vulnerable people to self-destructive behavior, accelerating disinformation, enabling scams, profiling thought-crime, producing nonconsensual pornography…?

    There’s no denying that capitalism is steering AI (and everything) in a dark direction, but AI is also just hazardous by its very nature. Moving beyond capitalism won’t automatically make humans more careful than we’ve ever been.

    • AI would not be obfuscating the sources of ideas

      Who would care? Why would it be important?

      mischaracterizing the content of works

      Huh?

      polluting communication channels with vapid slop

      That can already be dealt with moderation tools. If you don't like GenAI slop, just ban the people doing it.

      enticing emotionally-vulnerable people to self-destructive behavior,

      If people do this (big "if" here), then the cause is again in Capitalism (alienation) giving an incentive to do so.

      accelerating disinformation

      Root cause: capitalism

      enabling scams,

      Capitalism

      profiling thought-crime

      Huh?

      producing nonconsensual pornography…?

      We were doing that since photoshop.

      Just because you can spam a bunch of scary concepts, doesn't mean they stand up well

      • Another thing about AI slop is that it’s usually motivated by some sort of get rich quick thinking or plain old labor replacement. Both motivations disappear without capitalism.

      • You can't dismiss the legitimate harm enabled by these things by pointing to another thing that enables harm...

        I think you could make reasonable points here, but you're not engaging in discussion if you just dismiss them. These are legitimately serious issues and it's worth taking them seriously especially if you actually believe the things you say and want other people to understand your point of view. I'm not going to lie, it's gross to basically just say "well people get sexually abused anyway so it's not a concern."

        Capitalism enables a lot of terrible stuff, but the world doesn't immediately become sunshine and rainbows if it's gone. There's still a lot of work to be done after the fact

        • You can't dismiss the legitimate harm enabled

          Lol watch them

          Simping for these auto complete bots requires reciting mantras while blocking out reality.

          • Ffs, are you really this fucking dense, or is this an act you’re putting on?

            Maybe if you stopped simping for capitalism, you could start addressing that harm you like to whine about.

            Of course, if liberals addressed the root causes of harm, then they wouldn’t have any causes to appropriate to fundraise with.

            • AI image generation is theft.

              The pictures stolen to train it that it then uses as refrence to shit out Frankensteins of other people's art were stolen without the consent of the original artists.

              It's theft, that's been proven.

              It's not creative, it should be illegal.

              • Hey look, it's one of those pro-copyright trolls I was describing in my original comment about how the anti-AI trolls here are hypocrites for coming to an anarchist, leftist community that doesn't support or prop up the false notion of copyright and intellectual property gatekeeping coming here to argue that a thing is bad because of copyright infringement.

                You can't expect people here to not think you are a troll coming to a community in dbzer0, AKA the piracy instance, and trying to argue pro-copyright talking points, that's what you're doing here when you come and whine about art theft. Copyright is a capitalist construct, you sitting here arguing for it, or putting down violations of it is laughable petty trolling at best, and at worst it's Anarcho-Capitalist, or just straight up pro-capitalist trolling.

                • Lern to draw lazy baby

                  It's not hard

                  I'm sorry you don't respect the work of real artists, but that's not an excuse to steal.

                  • Aww it's so cute that your only attempt at a rebuttable is to assume I can't draw, because you know that I'm right, you're sitting here whining and preaching capitalist pro-copyright bullshit in an anarchist community. You're the one making yourself look bad, making yourself look like a troll, coming into an anti-copyright community whining about people not respecting artists copyright, it's really sad and pathetic. Grow the fuck up.

                    Edit: Wow you have one of the worst modlog histories I've seen yet. That really doesn't help your case, and only reinforces the idea that you're a troll.

              • I don’t accept the idea of copyright in the first place. The very idea of intellectual property is absurd. Once you release an idea to the world, turning around and claiming to own that idea is akin to slavery. You’re really going to sit here and tell me if you create art, you own the neurons that formed in my head to remember it? That’s barbaric and inhumane.

                Once you make art and release it to the public, it’s as much mine as yours, and I’ll do with it whatever I want because it belongs to everyone. Ideas are a part of people, and people should be free. Anyone who claims to own another person is evil.

                • People who don't want copyright to exist have never created art people want to buy.

                  I agree it sucks that money is required for everything. But as long as we perpetuate this system it's better to not allow theft.

                  We should change copyright laws, but we do need copyright laws still.

                  • People who don’t want copyright to exist have never created art people want to buy.

                    I think you'll find a lot of artists who've been screwed over by record labels (who commandeer your copyright), as well as indie artists who release under CreativeCommons or Public Domain who would strongly disagree with you there.

                  • It doesn't matter if people wanted to buy my photographs or not, I would never stoop so low as to charge someone for something I created. Everything I create is in the public domain, free to use not because I choose it to be, but because I cannot own it. How can you own art? Such a preposterous idea, perpetrated by weak-minded fools who debase art to be nothing more than a source of monetary gain. You disgust me by even insinuating that people would or should pay for my art.

                    And for the record, I'm not saying copyright should not exist. I'm saying it does not exist. You do not own the art you create any more than I own the art I create. Your art IS my art. I will not consider any other viewpoint, because such viewpoints are born from an immoral system and are therefore wrong.

                    • Sorry you choose to make these excuses to steal from others.

                      I hope one day you will put in the time to learn how to do a real skill like real artists.

                      • A “real” skill lmao. I would wager I’m a much better photographer than you will ever be, if I was to be so crass as to compare myself to someone else.

                        But that’s another difference between you and I, I make art for myself, and everyone else just gets to enjoy it as they want. My satisfaction however isn’t dependent upon other people seeing or appreciating my art. I don’t care what other people think about it, it’s an expression of my state of mind at that moment.

                        The opinion of others is of secondary concern at best.

                      • Piracy is not stealing and never will be, seriously you sound exactly like those dumb anti-piracy people. If you somehow believe piracy is okay but training data isn't that's hypocritical and stupid.

                        I don't know why you think you're going to get any kind of support for pro-capitalist pro-copyright bullshit here.

    • AI is also just hazardous by its very nature

      I think the point is that there's nothing hazardous inherent in its nature, and pointing to the problematic uses under capitalism isn't any more a description of 'its nature' than is pointing to an ass a description of a chair's nature.

      AI is a tool, just like any other, and the harm caused by that tool is largely defined by how it's used and by who.

      There's no doubt that LLM's and other generative models are disruptive, but suggesting that they are inherently harmful assumes that the things and systems they are disrupting aren't themselves harmful.

      Most of what you're pointing to as harm caused by AI is far more attributable to the systems it exists in (including and especially capitalism) and not the models themselves. The only issue that I can see with AI inherently is its energy demand - but if we're looking at energy consumption broadly then we'd be forced to look at the energy consumption of capitalism and consumerism under capitalism, too.

      I imagine the sentiment here would be wildly different if we were scrutinizing the energy demand of gaming on a modern GPU.

    • It absolutely would be. But this is not about logic. It’s about making sure everyone knows that capitalism is re root of everything bad that has ever happened.

      Even the things that happened before capitalism!

138 comments