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'This is the crisis moment': Political scientist says Trump crossed a crucial red line

www.rawstory.com 'This is the crisis moment': Political scientist says Trump crossed a crucial red line

Jacob Levy, Tomlinson Professor of Political Theory at McGill University, cautioned in a Blue Sky thread that the case involving a Maryland man the U.S. government acknowledges was "wrongfully deported" has reached a "crisis moment."In March, Kilmar Ábrego García was accused of being an MS-13 gang m...

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You meant ANOTHER crucial red line.
- We're running out of red ink for all these red lines being crossed.
  
  experts are trying to convince americans to respond, but we aren't.
  
  Like the French Revolution, it takes a lot for a revolt. Ultimately if faces aren't seen, it forgotten. As for republicans, if they aren't white faces; it's forgotten in a day or two.
  
  Lots of us are peacefully protesting and it's pretty hard for most of us to do anything more than that
  
  Well you guys gotta make an effort or you'll find out first hand the difference between e.g. Ukraine and Russia. Or Taiwan and China
  
  Americans have to take on the largest military in the world. Are you selling war planes that you can get to Florida without issue?
  
  "americans" aren't a regular army, they're a dispersed civilian population and the us military historically actually has a lot of trouble with those
  
  Absolutely. So, your solution is normal Americans declare war and wage irregular asymmetric warfare today. Against what? Our local government buildings? The post office? Commit sabotage against what exactly?
  
  We are going to find out if we prefer the consequences of revolt or the consequences of not revolting more.
  
  And the us military historically actually has a lot of trouble with those
  I disagree, not anymore anyway. Sure Vietnam was a wholesale loss. But while the US failed to institute a lasting democracy in Afghanistan, their KD is like 1:200. In 20 years of occupation they lost under 3000 troops. That is with logistics supplying the force on the other side of the world. That's actually a crazy accomplishment and show of power.
  While the military might not be able to "win" if they fully side with trump, America in for a long and bloody (mostly bloody for the civilians) occupation.
  
  Tariffs have doubled the cost of red-lines, as they were sourced in S. E. Asia, processed in a small barely-know penguin island, and packaged in Denmark.
- The previous dismissals of court orders were injunctions, not rulings. That’s a contempt of court charge, not a constitutional crisis.
  Today were both the first and second rulings he has openly defied. The first was refusing to return Garcia. The second was refusing to allow the AP into the Oval Office to cover the press conference.
  
  Right, so NOW we'll see how things are, or are not, going to work. Next, the military is up. They would need to remove him from office and let new elections run. If not, then it's up to us, the last line of defense.
- I look behind us and I just see a red road. It's all red lines, all the way back.
- So that's what the stripes are got e on your flag?
- No, this is probably the first one.
  The previous one where they disobeyed a court order (turning around planes to El Salvador, stopping new planes from taking off) they successfully appealed that court order to where the Supreme Court declared that order void.
  This one (facilitate the return of a wrongfully deported man) is the first one where they've just outright refused, and are pretending they can't comply.
  This is a big deal, and it's unprecedented, even for Trump. This is the red line, and we're going to see a full blown constitutional crisis this week if it doesn't get resolved.
  
  I agree in the sense that the way things played out the narrative can be he was right the whole time, so someone inclined to avoid conflict can excuse it, but even if you're right, you're still obligated to follow court orders until you successfully get it stayed or appealed. They got a lawful order from a court to turn around flights and just didn't. The order doesn't need to be at the end of an appeal to the Supreme Court before it has effect.
  
  They got a lawful order from a court to turn around flights and just didn't. The order doesn't need to be at the end of an appeal to the Supreme Court before it has effect.
  I know. That was on a collision course for a constitutional crisis then, and then the Supreme Court bailed out Trump by saying the order was invalid, right before the judge was going to hold contempt hearings.
  Now we're gonna see possible contempt hearings on disobeying an order that was affirmed by the Supreme Court.
- yeah its like a goalpost redline. Whelp its not really facism until he does x, oh well we are fine unless he gets away with y..............

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