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You're making a lot of assumptions here. I don't even know what you think you are arguing against.

You seemed to be arguing for not voting or voting third party rather than voting for Harris with the whole "firefighters" analogy.

I was pointing out that by many not voting, or by voting third party, we've ended up with someone who is not only not a firefighter, to continue you analogy, but someone who is actively setting the fires.

Now I hate democracy and progressives and Palestinians apparently? You've broken the thread here.
- You seemed to be arguing for not voting or voting third party rather than voting for Harris with the whole “firefighters” analogy.
  
  That is the assumption from centrists every time someone wants them to be better, yes.
  
  Then what do you mean? No firefighters were running, therefore what? What would be the correct action for a person to take when voting in the 2024 presidential election?
  
  No firefighters were running, therefore what?
  
  Therefore they should have grabbed a hose.
  
  How does that even apply?
  
  I'm a voter. Presidential election is happening. Both options suck, but one is extra awful.
  
  So the correct action is to run for president myself? And somehow build up grassroots support for myself over a series of 3 months sufficient to win? Too late.
  
  We need someone to do that, yea, but that's no longer the action being taken in regards to the 2024 election. You still have to: vote Harris, vote Trump, vote for someone with no chance of winning, or not vote.
  
  So while you "grab a hose" which of those 4 actual actions are you taking?
  
  How does that even apply?
  
  You literally can't imagine candidates changing for the better?
  
  I acknowledged that we could and should have better candidates. That doesn't impact the fact that you have those 4 options when it comes to voting.
  
  Regardless of what anyone does to push for better candidates, these are the options at that moment:
  
  Vote for Harris
  
  Vote for trump
  
  Vote for someone with no chance of winning
  
  Don't vote.
  
  Which of those options are you choosing? Or are you going to avoid the question again?
  
  I voted for the genocide supporter you wanted me to instead of the genocide supporter you are ok with because it gives you an excuse to blame the left.
  
  I would have preferred that Harris had changed for the better instead of doing what you wanted and courting your buddies on the right.
  
  Jesus, do centrists EVER stop fucking lecturing? Do you EVER stop being a giant scold to anyone who dares to want better?
  
  I voted for the genocide supporter you wanted me to instead of the genocide supporter you are ok with because it gives you an excuse to blame the left.
  
  What does this even mean? I wanted you to vote for Harris. Did you vote for Harris? You also say something about my "buddies on the right", so do you think I wanted you to vote for Trump, and therefore you voted for Trump? I wish you'd speak more directly instead of throwing in all these ambiguous assumptions.
  
  Assuming you voted for Harris, it sounds like we are actually on mostly the same page. I voted for Harris. You voted for Harris (I think? I wish you would just give straight answers). Everyone should have voted for Harris. But Harris wasn't good, we deserve better, and I want to see better.
  
  I also would have preferred that Harris had changed for the better. Why do you assume that isn't what I wanted? Who are my "buddies on the right"? I don't have any right-wing friends that I'm aware of.
  
  It's a shame that you have to go making an ass out of yourself by jumping to all sorts of unfounded assumptions about who I am or what I think. If you would just engage honestly this would be a lot easier.
  
  You seem all upset and lashing out at anyone who bothers to engage with you. Take a step back and go touch some grass or something.
  
  What does this even mean? I wanted you to vote for Harris. Did you vote for Harris?
  
  Yes. I will never stop resenting the democratic party for manipulating me into voting to give genocide a mandate. And centrists for blaming me when she lost anyway. Now feign confusion again.
  
  I also would have preferred that Harris had changed for the better. Why do you assume that isn’t what I wanted?
  
  Because I opened with that. You ignored it and started lecturing. You are still trying to convince people to vote your way in an election that has already happened. You're still carrying water for people who supported genocide and who moved to the right for a host of issues, and you don't have to.
  
  You are so confident that you know what people are thinking. I didn't feign confusion, you are just a terrible communicator and incredibly hard to follow.
  
  I tried to be patient and have a clear honest conversation with you, but you are clearly not capable of having honest conversation. You are an incredibly dishonest, arrogant, and irrational person, and I don't see any way to have productive conversation with you. So I'll be blocking you now. I hope you figure out how to stop being a dickhead.

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