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I thought we were going to talk about 3rd parties once it's not critical to democracy.
When are we going to wise up and realize that people who vacillate between "I won't vote for genocide" and "why won't the Democrats save us!?" are a fucking opp designed to kneecap the left?
- Exactly. Division got us here. Only unity will get us out.
  
  Unity centered around what? The party of the less bad? Of the horrible leadership? The party that only does one genocide? The not Trump party? The party of “we will not trash the economy”?
  I could get behind that, but this federation has not been a democracy for a while. Not when you need more states won and several would require United Nations observers if they were countries. So, in some places it’s just a lost cause.
  People need to be disabused of the notion this is a fair fight won by normal rules. New leadership and splintering is exactly what is needed.
  
  Unity centered around what?
  Participation. Making things a tiny bit better when possible, and if not that, then minimizing damage.
  Making things better nationally is hard. But locally, change can be efffected --- my city (San Francisco) has ranked choice voting for local offices. It's awesome, and I vote for who I want first. It's small, but it's a start.
  
  Your ignorance knows no bounds. Republicans vote in a block. If we split the left in the midterms, the Republicans will retain control. Simple as that.
  
  I don’t see how my very well known ignorance, and what I said, have anything in common.
  I do see hackers disrupting x today. That group, whatever their motives or how well I would like them, is doing more to restore good governance than then the entirety of the Democratic Party, if you look at events today.
  What have the democrats done today? Since midnight. Tell me some stuff and I might reconsider my stance
  
  They can’t do anything but filibuster in the Senate with congressional minority. The left abandoned them at the polls to prove a point, and are now complaining that they’re ineffective with no control. You need to learn about our governmental structure.
  
  The left abandoned them
  Wait, the whole left? Like a block of people ? No…
  I do agree me and others should understand more about government and get involved. More than watching a few old people in capital hill doing some useless motions while the nation goes under .
  This will naturally happen if things go as expected, and I probably will not like that answer any more than you
  
  INCOMING TRADE OFFER:
  You get: slower tweets for maybe a week
  They get: removing everybody's social security, dismantling of NATO, end of federal public education funding, 20 Million (conservative estimate) people removed from Medicaid, deportation on basis of ethnicity/heritage
  We cannot settle for petty attacks on the state. We need to reclaim the state. Vote blue no matter who, any Democrat is better than any Republican.
  
  Ah yes, unity. The unity of attacking third parties. Of suing candidates to remove them from the ballot. Of refusing to run a primary to learn the wishes of the party. What great unity. I’ll pass on the party of “nothing will fundamentally change” with your views of “unity” like that.
  I agree we need to come together so the left stops losing. But the democrats do not agree with that, and will actively sabotage it as much as possible. And until that changes, we’re fucked. We need a party willing to adapt to the people on the left, not republicans.
  
  Do you truly expect that to emerge and take hold of majority in two years? That’s very naive.
  
  Literally just asking the democrats to not attack leftists, and adopt like fucking any popular leftist policies, be open to changing for the better, not simply say “sorry best we can do is trump+1”
  Of the people, it’s not a big ask. Sadly the people don’t seem to matter as much as corporations for some weird reason.
- If you want to not kneecapping the left, you could start by not slurring progressives as "a fucking opp."
- Right. But you can’t have unity/be in coalition with someone who is actively committing a genocide against your family.
  Which is part of why democrats lost, especially in Michigan. With its fairly sizable Arab population. Even if they’d managed to win the other swing-states that would have lost the democrats this election.
  Why should we not have unity with the Arab People of Michigan?
  Please try to keep in mind pointing out the fact that Trump also isn’t in unity with them is not an answer to this question.
- Every US election is called the most important election. All of them. At some point I think the only way out is to make someone lose because of their support of FPTP.
  
  Mission accomplished, then. Harris losing is a statement to the world that Not-Trump isn't good enough.
  But in doing these theatrics you've empowered a fascist oligarchy. Maybe it wasn't worth it, maybe electing enough Dems to reverse citizens united and tax the rich would have been the better concession of the two.
- There are steps that need to be taken to get third parties.
  First and foremost is the adoption of a voting system that can not only support third parties, but help them grow.
  TLDR; Fight for Approval if you just want third parties to exist and occasionally win, Fight for STAR if you want third parties to grow and become powerful.
  Now for the long part, talking about the problems with first past the post voting, and how that shapes the political discourse. Or you can watch this video.
  Also, before anyone breaks in with Ranked Choice or IRV as it's called, you might want to read up on the flaws section here.
  And I'd write more, but the dog wants a walk, and that's more important right now.
- people who vacillate between "I won't vote for genocide" and "why won't the Democrats save us!?
  Those aren't conflicting opinions, my guy. These people exist and are actual leftists who want the party to be what they pretend to be
  Source: I've fuckin met many IRL, trippy I know
- I think "we" realized it from day 1.
  And, yet, here we are.

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