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Regarding the “Rust” shooting.

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The issue is, as I understand it, that Baldwin was handed the revolver from a producer or someone of similar standing and he should have handed it to the armorer for checking, regardless of what he was told.
- Doesn't matter. "Prop" guns don't exist and every gun is unfit unless physically checked by yourself personally.
  
  No idea why you are getting so much hate. Anyone who has been taught how to handle a firearm knows to treat every weapon as if it was loaded. It doesn't matter if it's a training firearm which can be a very bright color and has parts visibly drilled out so you can see it will not function, guns firing blanks, an airsoft gun, even something like a pneumatic nail gun, etc. Verify the source of ammunition is empty and there is not a round in the chamber visibly and physically.
  I'm not saying everyone in the world should know this, but anyone handling any form of firearm should. Alec Baldwin has been in enough movies and shows where guns were handled that he must have been taught this and seen it as the protocol multiple times.
  This is gun safety and it's not a bad thing,.I'm not a huge gun fan myself but promoting firearm safety isn't anything to look down on.
  
  ITT: "Basic gun safety isn't necessary if you have a SAG card."
  
  Actually, prop guns do exist and I'm not talking about the ones that shoot blanks.
  Or have you never seen a cosplayer with a gun?
  There are realistic looking prop guns that are built without a firing mechanism. Without, meaning it never existed in the design.
  
  Hollywood likes to use real guns because ~~they are right-wing gun-fetishist assholes exploiting a handful of real creatives~~ they say a prop can't mimic the weight distribution and feel of holding the real deal. There is a lot of objection that it matters in the final product, but that's the reason given.
  And so there are rules, so that everyone can get their jobs done without worrying about unsecured live weapons on set, but the rules depend on humans to follow them.
  The people whose job it was to take care of the guns on this set had to quit because they weren't being allowed to do their jobs.
  Some people in the industry don't want real guns on set because it will always come with a risk like this. But if I'm not mistaken, the current preference is in favor of real weapons for the big names in Hollywood. Unless you can get it in your contract, you just have to go along with it or not take the job.
  
  OK Rambo.
  
  Why don't they remove the firing mechanism from prop guns? The hammer that strikes the bullet?
  
  Prop guns often fire blanks for the sound and flash, so they still need a firing pin.
  
  It doesn't have to be like that. We could design a different firing mechanism.
  
  We don't need to. Only 3 people have died by guns on film sets in over 30 years, and every time it's cause some idiot used real ammo in it at some point. Just never use real ammo in your prop guns, and they are always fine.
  
  That's not what happened. The guns were used with real ammo at a range to go shooting, then used as prop guns later without properly checking that there were no live rounds or lodged bullets in the guns.
  And I'm not minimizing them, I'm telling you the actual solution isn't modifying the firing pin, or changing the rules, since the rules work. These deaths were due to idiots breaking the rules, but the rules have worked to prevent thousands of deaths, and if followed no one will ever dies.
  
  Million dollar idea right here
  
  Yep. It would cost a million dollars to develop and still no one would use it.

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