Yeah, maybe time for another instance after all.
(Note that the quoted bit I'm replying to ends after the word "...issue" and my words begin at "What a fucking...")
In roughly 30 years online, across a wide variety of communities on a wide variety of platforms, zero of them would have removed that comment as "trolling."
Except .ml, apparently.
Noooooo, you can't leave! You're my token, "I upvote people from ml sometimes" user!
I am of course kidding. Go wherever you feel comfortable, and keep being you.
Thanks buddy! I appreciate you!
Which comm? But ye, sounds like a clear PTB.
Ah sorry! https://lemmy.ml/c/usa
One of us! One of us! --another former .ml user.
PTB for sure.
I think that this ban can be explained, under .ml admin team insane troll logic, like this: you're attacking Trump, thus you're defending Biden (there's even a "but" there! It invalidates everything that you said). Biden is helping the State of Israel to genocide the Palestinians so you're implicitly backing up the genocide "lol." so stop trolling "tnx."
And since you seem to be also communist, a few pointers on the instance landscape:
[Sorry for the uncalled advice, it's just stuff that I wish that I knew when I left .ml]
[Sorry for the uncalled advice, it’s just stuff that I wish that I knew when I left .ml]
All good and I appreciate it! Though to be clear I am not a communist, and don't see myself becoming one. I'm not sure what label to apply to myself these days.
All good and I appreciate it! Though to be clear I am not a communist, and don’t see myself becoming one. I’m not sure what label to apply to myself these days.
Ah, sorry then. It's just that some things that you said in the comment (plus in your other comments - got to check profile to say if PTB/YDI/BPR/CLM) lean this way. Nevermind the advice then, but I hope that it's useful for other lost commies like me.
Just usss...
Critical support for Comrade Trump!
PTB
'he rapes women up the ass so they cant get pregnant, see he cares! why cant people see that?! '
What a load of crap. Total PTB.
I used to down vote you quite a lot during the election, but have found myself doing the obverse much more of late. I don't always agree with you, but you absolutely aren't a troll and seem to operate with intelligence and good faith.
From another online weirdo of close to 40 years.
Thanks buddy, I appreciate it! Nothin wrong with some downvotes, that's just part of online discussion.
Literally part of the cooking process.
Good idea take learning and being challenged.
When discussions get censored, this process doesn't happen. This is by design, I am not sure why peasants are trying to do it to each other. It only benefits the ruling class.
That was in response to me and I want you to know I didn’t report it because there’s nothing wrong with it except for the fact you’re wrong.
Trump has so far been better on Israel than biden. Biden is really that bad.
Respect!
So here we have two adults spit balling an issue then some lil removed reported a comment in a chain they did not like to the boss man, who censored censored it
This is not a modding, this how censorship works and half of lemmy population see nothing wrong with it.
except for the fact you're wrong
Thanks, I needed that laugh.
Any idea for the instance?
I've had my eye on dbzero and slrpnk.net as I've been pondering this move over the past few months.
Ironically the biggest thing holding me back was not wanting to give in to all the trolls from .world about being from .ml.
But now, eh maybe it's just time.
Enjoy, they are both great !
Like blaze said, both of those are great instances. I will say that I think dbzero's admin, db0 of course, is more active in the fediverse community, and I tend to find myself agreeing with most of their decisions and stances.
Also, recently db0 has been pushing forward with a lot of initiatives towards user/community feedback and governance, which is refreshing to see. To me, it means they are willing to allow others to hold them ethically accountable, and actively pushing for community mechanisms to allow for that.
Honestly, having voiced this... I need to stop procrastinating on a donation. I spend too much time using instance not to throw them a few dollars for upkeep. db0, keep doing what you're doing, this random guy appreciates it.
Isn't this on you for remaining on lemmy.ml for so long? 😛 /s
There are so many other places to choose from - Lemm.ee if you want the fewest defederations, lemmy.dbzer0.com for anarchy, Sopuli if you want a "Liberal troll instance" (this btw I copied straight from their rotating text at the top as they are rightfully proud of such:-) - reddthat.com has downvotes disabled, and there are so very many themed including regional ones to minimize ping and uptime stats. Sort https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list by Monthly Active Users for a helpful listing.:-)
Modding content and tone of speach is censorship
I disagree that moderating tone of speech is censorship. The target of censorship is the discourse = "content"; a censor doesn't want people to talking about certain ideas or facts. How those people express those ideas is orthogonal to the ideas themselves.
And moderating tone is often important because some tones are not conductive to discussion.
There should be room within instance rules to allow for respectful, good faith discussion.
You and whomever else are welcome to join WG if you want a smaller place to call home.
That's super nice, thank you! I was not aware of your instance until your comment, will check it out.
It's very small and there are only a few of us that actually use local accounts. I haven't really advertised it or anything since it seemed like there were plenty of better options.
Now that it's a little better established and things are going wild around Lemmy... Yeah. Probably a good time to start looking for like-minded people to get a friendly community going.
You're insisting that trump is the worse option despite the last 4 years of democrat rule leaving Americans and the objects of America's foreign policies materially worse than either trump's previous term or current actions. If you're not trolling then you're deluding yourself.
Edit: if you read "the democrats left people in a worse state than trump" and think that's endorsing trump rather than denigrating the democrats then you seriously need to reassess your privileges. To view that as praise requires complete detachment from either of their actions. Trump's first term was bad enough for Biden to sail into the whitehouse almost solely on the promise of not being trump, and he fumbled everything so hard that the entire US has regressed by decades, becoming less safe for women and minorities and leaving the poor and working class in more precarious a position than ever before, not to mention the whole genocide thing. If none of that materially affected you, when it affected enough of the US that trump was voted back into power, then you are operating on the vibes emanating from your ivory tower and your opinion is completely irrelevant.
Edit for db0: You don't need to edit your comments, I just can't directly reply to you because you're still banned from Hexbear for DM harrassment because you wouldn't stop crying about a temp ban. Anyway please tell me more about your smol bean president theory while I read this article about Trump overriding the TikTok ban
edit for db0: Of course, everyone's just making cruel rumours up about you, the admins just suddenly permabanned you for no reason a couple of hours after your temp. Half our community was there you dip, you had your meltdown in public. I suppose to a liberal criticising Biden would look like supporting Trump, though.
Edit: I mean you comments got stripped out with the ban but there are enough quotes to reconstruct your tantrum. The modlog tells a similar story, but I guess I misremembered the couple of hours - the admins got sick of you after 45 minutes of whining DMs.
Never thought I'd see hexbears simping for Mr "Grab 'em by the pussy" and yet here we are. Campism, not even once, kids.
Edit for your edi : remove the liberalism from your head instead of trying to be holier than thou and realize the system would have gotten worse either way.
Edit 2: I know you can't see me which if funny that you have to take the extra effort to come back and lurk incognito so you can then lie about me harassing your mods since you have nothing else to say. Anyway do continue to carry water for the orange fascist. He's gonna go against Ukraine so he's surely your guy by now.
Edit 3 :lol what a conversation. No need for rumors, everything in the open for everyone to see, both the hypocritical permaban you dished and my subsequent "harassment", there's even a post in ytpb about it! But do keep licking that candy, maybe it will eventually stick outside of hexbear. Also I'd love to see that "meltdown in public" you speak of. Sounds quite exciting. Sorry (not sorry) for calling your "criticism" act like I see it though.
Edit 4: Lol what revisionist nonsense. There was no tantrum. I got banned for "liberalism" for not using the unwritten disengage rule correctly which was of course just a flimsy excuse since they couldn't find something else. They removed my comments to make revisionism like you just do now, possible. Try again :D And hey I object that my DMs where whiny. I felt they were perfectly matching the admin's tone. 😅
Me being wrong (if in fact I am) and even deluded (if in fact I were) still doesn't constitute a troll.
Most people don't understand what modding is about.
In fact they prefer censorship of opinions and or tone they don't like until it happens to them.
These people haven't really developed the proepr framework for understanding that the world is bigger than them.
Most never really do hence why have poorly educated idiots fighting culture wars amongst themselves while owner class is destroying all of in a class war.
While technically your intent isn't that of trolling, it's such an incredibly afactual statement that a reasonable person could not be expected to realise that you (claim to) genuinely believe it. It's unreasonable for a person to genuinely believe such things after seeing the last decade with their own eyes, so even if you're not a troll your comment only detracts from and muddies the discussion.
If someone told you that they genuinely believe the earth is a concave disk, you would look around at the horizon and assume they're fucking with you because of how ridiculous a statement it is. Same thing here - there is no difference in your behaviour whether you're trolling or genuinely believe it, so mods have to take the more reasonable assumption.
Lol you got reported for trolling.
Focus, please.
What matters here is if OP is trolling or not. Unless there's yet another hidden .ml rule like "if we assume you to be deluded we'll remove your comment", but then it should be explicit and properly tagged as such in the modlog.
From your other comment (to avoid double reply):
While technically your intent isn’t that of trolling
We [people in general] don't know someone else's "intent" over the internet, nor we should lie to ourselves (or worse, assume) that we do.
so mods have to take the more reasonable assumption.
No, they don't. To assume is not acceptable mod behaviour. (Or decent/moral human behaviour, when you're dealing with other humans.) Rule enforcement should be solely based on what is visible.
That includes trolling. Now, here's the question, does OP's comment constitute trolling? You should argue if it is or it is not; the rest is just skibidi toilet.
This doesn't seem like trolling, didn't even look like it was some over the top chain of replies. The comment isn't offensive either. Unless I'm missing context I don't think it was necessary to remove it.
That said I do disagree with the poster. For all the bluster Trump (infamous liar) has had on this matter, his actual actions have been considerably better than Bidens in just this short time. If that holds remains to be seen. He's been shit on everything else, which sucks.