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If it is common knowledge that shutting a garage door with a running ICE vehicle inside will kill you, why do you think so many people think 1 billion ICE vehicles aren't bad in the atmosphere?

"But tires"

Ban all vehicles over 5000lbs to start without a specialized license and extremely heavy fees to have them. EVs are dropping in weight daily, ICE vehicles have been increasing in weight to dodge policies. One is a means to an end, the other is a means to profit.

Profit for few vs humanity's existance.. which should we choose?

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If you go that route, I'll setup shop in a car dealership, helping people file the paperwork needed to register an LLC and justify their car purchase.
Vehicle size and weight is a red herring. It's a distraction from EV adoption, which is far more important to reducing emissions. Any political capital we might spend on limiting vehicle sizes would achieve greater results on promoting EV adoption. I'd rather see the industry produce a giant EV truck called "The Compensator 9000" than to put arbitrary restrictions on size and weight.
- The reason people drive so far to work... Is because of cars. We are compensating for them simply by having them around. The compensator 9000 just means further distances to work, grocery stores, etc. wider roads, more gaps between businesses and continuous outward growth while creating an environment where it makes it more and more impossible to simply walk anywhere...
  I want to get a sandwich, shouldn't be situation that requires we drive 15 miles. Granted yes we reduced the number of times we do it by stashing ingredients in the fridge, but the point still stands.
  A lot of people dread having to walk to the mailbox... And dread having to mow the lawn between them and the mailbox. The number of people paying someone else to mow the lawn between there front door and the mailbox is staggering. Yet that is step on of them going on a trip.
  
  I'm gonna drag you, (apparently kicking and screaming), back to the approach I suggested: mandating manufacturers produce same-price 100-mile EV equivalents for every ICE vehicle they want to produce. If they want to build a gasoline sedan, they need to make an electric sedan with the same seating, same trunk space, etc. F-350 super duty diesel crewcab pickup? There's a 100-mile electric version of that as well, at the same or lower price point, or that truck doesn't get made.
  
  What's the 100 miles part of it? Do you mean the range only being 100 miles? We will likely have much higher than that, some are scheduled to be 5-600 miles. Really I'd settle for 250 miles.
  The Telos Truck is being designed to be able to fit up to 8 people, a configuration for a 4x8' sheet of plywood, or a 5ft standard bed with 4 doors, and is set for 350 miles.
  It's the length of a mini Cooper, and acquired taste for looks, but it's kind of neat. 0-60 in 4 seconds and priced at 50k. < I think to expensive, but that's cheaper than Chevy trailblazer here.
  (Insert my kicking and screaming). Haha
  
  You ignored where I laid out that plan, and focused on an unimportant point.
  To promote EV adoption and suppress ICE, I would mandate that car manufacturers produce an EV equivalent of every ICE model they produce, at the same price point as the base model ICE vehicle. That EV would need to have a minimum of 100 mile range to qualify as an "equivalent".
  The main problem I'm trying to to solve is the manufacturers jacking up the prices of EVs as soon as the government offers direct incentives for buying them.
  This method of addressing this problem basically requires manufacturers to either increase the prices on their ICE models, or drop those ICE models entirely.
  
  Nah I was on board with that part, I was just curious why you limited it to 100 miles so I inquired. Why not say range that equals or better than the ICE equivalent at the same price? As it shouldn't be a problem. (Although after thinking about it, 250 would probably be better for weight reasons. 600 mile batteries would be a bit large currently.
  
  Because batteries are bulky and extraordinarily heavy, and the general public rarely drives even 100 miles a day. I can plug in my EV every night, or at most of my destinations; I don't need an EV that can go 2 weeks between charges.
  
  Yeah, unfortunately my work is 52ish miles away. So with charge times on a standard 110 I'm stuck in the need a bit more category. I figure at 250 miles id be able to charge it on a 110 and if I ever have other trips to make it wouldn't be an issue. But with your policy of matching EV to ice productlines I imagine most manufacturers wouldn't want to intentionally sabotage a product they are already having to make, so I'm sure they would make something that fit people stuck in long driving situations like mine.
  
  Remember: I'm not eliminating cars over 5000 pounds, because there is plenty of actual need for large vehicles.
  When I talk about a 100 mile range, you need to be thinking about the battery pack needed for a 15-passenger van, or a 1-ton pickup. Manufacturers don't currently produce EVs in those classes. If they want to keep producing large gasoline and diesel vehicles like these, they need to add a 100-mile EV version at the same price point.
  
  True, Not sure if the eSprinter has seating options, but I assume that would be the closest thing right now to your 15 seater if so. But I've never known anyone who needed to seat 15 people that wasn't for an event that would be associated with a company anyways. So the company or rental agency would just register the vehicle paying additional taxes on it to compensate for the "extra" wear and tear on roads and tires.
  The weight thing is tough. But you don't need a 1 ton pickup for much anymore, hell the electic mini pulled the space shuttle years ago. So towing/torque isn't the issue. It's just for putting things in the bed, which most trucks I see are jacked up higher than anyone is lifting a fridge into, or washer/dryer. No one wants to stack cement or soil bags in those things. My point was to disinsentivize vehicles that cause more harm but are just being used for fun.
  An example may be farm tax. We already have farm tags as well for vehicles. So what's to say you don't make trade exceptions for registration fees. Work on a farm and get a farm tag, it's exempt? Add a constructuon site one.
  I know someone who got a new truck recently. They said they get 14 miles a gallon. They tore their rotator cuff a few years back and have a bad back. Had issues driving his lawn mower around due to the steering wheel. So there is 0 objects that he can lift into the bed of the truck that wouldn't fit in any other vehicle. It weighs a shit ton without being an EV and is tall enough that it guarantees that any pedestrian hit would be dead on impact.
  A car that gets 45 mpg would be so much better for us long term. Let them scream I'll never get an electric car as much as they want, but at least it reduces their CO2 emissions to a third and burn through less tires and roads.
  Helps give the rest of the population time to get ready for the future

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