President Biden pardons his son Hunter Biden
The decision, which was first reported by NBC News, is a reversal for the president, who repeatedly said he would not use his authority to pardon his son or commute his sentence.
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Who gives a shit? Republicans made a felon president. Nothing fucking matters anymore.
It's not that people are mad he's doing it, we're mad he's not doing more meaningful thing that will help people not named Biden or help a foreign country commit a genocide.
What gets me tho is his supporters applauding this.
Even when he spent months promising not to do this because of the sanctity of justice system...
I know I could tell he was lying. But his supporters swore up and down Biden wouldn't lie, and now they're supporting it.
Do you honestly not understand why 1/3 of the country treats both parties as out of touch liars who don't care for 99.99% of Americans?
Like, if "nothing matters" why isn't Biden doing more? Why isn't he even appointing all the empty judges seats before Trump can?
Why is the only things he can do on his way out the door arming a genocidal far right religious state for their genocide and pardoning his own son?
Even when he spent months promising not to do this because of the sanctity of justice system…
He probably wasn't lying. Hunter was convicted for purely political reasons. The crimes he was convicted of are rarely enforced and almost never result in jail time against first offenders. The President assumed that his son would be treated fairly like any other first time offender. He believed in the sanctity of the justice system but has now been forced to revise that opinion because it's perfectly clear that he was wrong.
the crimes he was convicted of are rarely enforced and almost never resulted in jail time against first offenders
This is the same line trump supporters use when defending his convictions, and it probably is true for both. If your in politics you and your family are, and should be, under more legal scrutiny then an average person. That's the price of power.
Your family should not be under more scrutiny than anybody else and they should not be a target of your political enemies.
The President assumed that his son would be treated fairly like any other first time offender.
You're aware Biden is in charge of the DOJ right?
So he's admitting his DOJ was fucked up and acting in bad faith...
But rather than at any point since he realized that, he's choosing to only save his son and still not do any actual justice reform?
A regular person saving their son, ok. We get it
The literal one person able to save millions of sons? He should do actual reform.
He'd save his own son in the process too.
Like, you realize there's a shit ton of open judicial seats Biden is about to let trump seat as soon as he comes into office right?
Are you implying Biden appointed such shit people to lead the DOJ that he now trusts Trump's judgement more?
Like I said:
Like, if “nothing matters” why isn’t Biden doing more? Why isn’t he even appointing all the empty judges seats before Trump can?
But if be really surprised if anyone actually explains why Biden not even appointing 30 judges is ok, let alone why the Senate not confirming 42 is bad.
Biden allowed the prosecution of Hunter to avoid the appearance of not being neutral.
Now that Trump has won and a) is openly talking about pardoning anyone and everyone and b) wanting to prosecute his enemies list, it 100% makes sense to beat him to the punch and pardon Hunter.
If Kamala had won, he would have let it all stand.
Biden allowed the prosecution of Hunter to avoid the appearance of not being neutral
But the reality is he wasnt neutral...
So, when you portray a situation falsely because you know the blowback would hurt your chances in an upcoming election (Biden was the candidate then)
That is commonly referred to:
Being a fucking liar
And when you do that for something everyone knows you're lying about, that's going to hurt turnout for the entire party, even if you do eventually shuffle off the stage before the election.
You may be 100% of with the only two parties only running liars
But if you want a way to make Dems able to win again, fight for honest authentic candidates who will help Americans.
You'll never find a neoliberal as good as lying as a Republican. So why play that game.
If Kamala had won, he would have let it all stand.
My opinion is obviously he wouldn't have. I'm not sure why your preventing your opinion as a fact, or even why you still think the next president somehow controls sentencing...
Like, you get that right?
That the entire premise for your argument about why this is ok has no factual basis?
If you think I'm wrong, by all means explain how the incoming president co trolls that, and how Biden wasn't able to control it now for a fair result and not an all or nothing like you're presenting
Oh, he definitely wasn't neutral, no father could be, that's why I say he was trying to avoid the APPEARANCE of not being neutral. ;)
Now that Trump has won and is talking crazy shit, there's no need to maintain appearances.
So, when you portray a situation falsely because you know the blowback would hurt your chances in an upcoming election (Biden was the candidate then)
Are you seriously upset that Biden pardoned his son's charges of checking the no box to the do you use drugs question on his firearm application. And paying his taxes late?
That's gotta be every single weed smoker in a recreational state.
And when you do that for something everyone knows you're lying about, that's going to hurt turnout for the entire party, even if you do eventually shuffle off the stage before the election.
Oh he shuffled off stage all right. Right before the democratic wolve party beat him with a broomstick and replaced him with a pinata.
That poster basically lambasts Biden all the time. It's their whole schtick
Biden isn’t in charge of the DOJ…
Biden is in charge of the person in charge of the DoJ.
In charge of him in what way?
The Attorney General leads the DoJ and is a member of the president's cabinet. The DoJ is also part of the executive branch. While it is "bad form" for the president to order the AG to do something, the president can fire the AG. Look up what Nixon did to find out more.
Not just Nixon, if I remember right Trump tried to do something similar to stop the Mueller investigation. So why would Biden want to normalize weaponizing the DOJ like that?
The only people who consider Biden “in charge” of the DOJ are people that want to normalize Nixon’s and Trump’s behavior.
Biden didn't weaponize the DoJ. At no point did he use it to attack opponents who hadn't committed crimes as decided by grand juries. During Trump's trials he was, at least publicly, hands off and let the AG do his thing.
Don't confuse Biden giving his son a pardon after conviction with Nixon firing multiple AGs until he got to one that was fine with him being a literal criminal and Trump trying to find one (and succeeding) that wouldn't release a report on how Trump is corrupt.
This is not a both sides thing.
Biden didn't weaponize the DoJ. At no point did he use it to attack opponents who hadn't committed crimes as decided by grand juries.
That was my point. The only thing Biden can do is fire the attorney general and threaten to replace them with an attorney general that will do his bidding. That is the only way Biden could control or be “in charge” of the DOJ.
During Trump's trials he was, at least publicly, hands off and let the AG do his thing.
Trump wasn’t “hands off” in any way: Six Takeaways From Trump’s Threats Against Rod Rosenstein
If Biden were to use his position as president to control the DOJ by threatening the attorney general, he would be normalizing Trumps actions of weaponizing the DOJ.
Don't confuse Biden giving his son a pardon after conviction with Nixon firing multiple AGs until he got to one that was fine with him being a literal criminal and Trump trying to find one (and succeeding) that wouldn't release a report on how Trump is corrupt.
Not sure why you’re saying this. The person I responded to before you responded to me claimed Biden is in charge of the DOJ. I pointed out that he wasn’t because as we’ve both pointed out, the only way Biden can have any control over the DOJ is by replacing the Attorney General with someone that will do what he says. The same way Nixon and Trump did.
If Kamala had won, Hunter would not have been pardoned.
Biden pardoned him because of all the bullshit pardons Trump is talking about.
"You know what, fine, fuck it, Hunter gets a pardon."
So your version is like this?
Biden:
I'm tired of rich privileged people never being held accountable, I'll show them by not allowing my rich privileged son to be held accountable! Now the wealthy from either party isn't being held accountable, which is obviously going to be celebrated by the poor's because both groups of rich and powerful people are unaccountable!
Because that just sounds unbelievable , so I don't think that's what you meant
But man, I can't think of a single other option.
Like, if it's to just rub in republicans faces...
They'd hate it more if we dont give them the 42 open federal judicial seats than Bidens son
Or....
Crazy thought, Biden could do both?
Instead of only saving his son who is clearly and literally self admittedly guilty?
The Biden are never going to love you man. They'll never know you're name, they'll never lose a second of sleep over your troubles.
Trump won't either to be fair, but that doesn't mean you have to spend your time defending. A different group of wealthy oligarchs who aren't subject to the same rules as you and me.
No, my version is retributive.
"Oh, Trump won? Fuck it, Hunter gets a pardon."
This is the obvious answer. Biden treated the situation as if his son would be treated the same as any other citizen. Instead they threw the book at him because he was the presidents son.
Why trust the system that lets Trump off the hook.
Seems more likely that it's a preemptive guard against the retribution Trump has been loudly promising. When the next president vows to enact revenge on his political enemies, and your son has been branded a political enemy, you do what you can to try to prevent relatively minor offenses from becoming something more theatrical.
Biden doesnt exactly have a reputation of being keen on actual justice. Just demagogery, racism, and bribe taking disguised as justice. Are there worse crimes than genocide? -- all for some campaign contributions.
Did he not spend his entire senate career beating a drum about being touch on crime, ito the right of republicans, imprisoning two generations of minority americans on flimsy no-victim crimes? Did he not call all the worst racists on the republican side his close friends? Didnt he campaign for them against democrats?
Literally fuck you I got mine. Which is why the cunts lost the election.
A felon that had to be given immunity by the supreme court he picked himself in order to stay out of prison long enough for the richest man in the world to get him elected.
You can't make this shit up
Reminds me of
And that's why you should let me go, Your Honor
You can commit 34 felonies, as a treat.
Exactly. Trump is about to pardon dozens/hundreds of treasonous terrorists (Jan 6th).
Honestly, I doubt he will pardon more than a small number people, most of the Jan6ers have nothing that will gain Trump if they are pardoned, and they have shown to be dangerous towards government and authority, these are not people an authoritarian government will want on the streets.
Past actions matter far, far less than future potential gains.
Trump will be back in office, he has won, he doesn't need the Jan6ers anymore.
I am certain that he will pardon a few, to make it seem like he/the republicans care, but the majority will probably stay locked up.
If I wanted to operate on republican standards of integrity I'd be a republican.
You’re operating on Republican standards of integrity whether you want to or not, because nothing fucking matters anymore. That’s just the hand you’ve been dealt.
we're only as good as the world lets us be, huh.
