2mo ago

Do you refrain from participating to a community if it's hosted on Lemmy.ml ?

Asking as there has been a few comments mentioning this with the new !stardewvalley@lemm.ee taking over !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml

!yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com for additional context on those recent events if you are interested

Also, an older post for more context on how lemmy.ml is managed: https://lemmy.world/post/16211417

Curious to hear other thoughts about this, as I'm trying to keep !simracing@lemmy.ml active, but might suggest to move it elsewhere if a lot of people prefer not to interact with lemmy.ml communities

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lemmy.ml tends to have an immature userbase with immature mods. It's a weird bubble of insane extremists that are all about ideological purity tests. They aren't really interested in discussion and will ban anyone that doesn't conform to their extremism. And their extremists are constantly edging towards stochastic terrorism.
So needless to say, I'm banned from lemmy.ml, and I feel like that's a badge of honour. But that does mean I won't be engaging with any community that's hosted on lemmy.ml.
So if you want to have discussion that's not about how super awesome the violent overthrow of the government of your country would be, I'd recommend not hosting your community on lemmy.ml.
- So what you are saying is that since you are banned from lemmy.ml, you cannot participate in communities such as Firefox@lemmy.ml, for reasons entirely unrelated to anything that you said in that community?
  Which means conversely that from your perspective, that entire community - and all others likewise hosted on lemmy.ml - are "held hostage" behind you either outright agreeing with whatever stance is taken by the instance admins, about whatever subject matters they choose to be the defining criteria for exclusion from the instance, or else at least you need to STFU about your true thoughts, about e.g. China, and capitalism, and Russia, and whatever else they feel like adding at any given moment.
  It would have been nice to have had a warning presented to you, wouldn't it? Like when you first go there, have a popup or sidebar note saying "Warning: you must agree that neither China nor Russia is actively engaging in genocide in order to participate in this community discussion about...
  <checks notes>
  the popular Firefox web browser".
  I bet reading the sidebar notice presented on lemmy.ca did not quite prepare you for that!?!?!?
  It would be nicer to segregate "political" communities and instances from apolitical ones. Except these days, facts themselves are political, and all we can do is suck it and swallow.
  
  Yeah it's really lame... seems like the ban is permanent, so I went ahead and blocked lemmy.ml. No point in seeing content from communities that some self-righteous admin decided I shouldn't be allowed to interact with.
  It is what it is. I already left reddit because of their bullshit owners. There's still way better communities on reddit than on lemmy.ml, and as bullshit as the owners of reddit are, they're still not as bad as the owners of lemmy.ml. So if it were really an issue to me I'd just go back to reddit. But it's fun to discuss things in smaller communities so I'll stick with lemmy, just not lemmy.ml.
  
  Yeah that's what I am starting to realize over the last couple of days - that while Reddit was bad, in some ways at least, they were less bad than Lemmy, or as you say at least lemmy.ml.
  The key ingredient there is the transparency: Huffman may be a dick, but at least he is upfront about things: "you are landed gentry, under MY dominion, mu-wha-ha-ha now all will bow before me" indeed, but contrast that to claiming that lemmy.ml is for "A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers." - but did you get banned for spouting paid software? Or for violating privacy? No, or at least doubtful (I didn't look:-). Look at the four rules - which ones did you break, that would warrant a site-wide ban? Some people get banned for none, e.g. for claiming that they have Uyghur family members staying with them who have experienced discrimination and potential genocide and... BAM, ban hammer. Bc neither Russia nor China can ever do any wrong - it is the USA that is "evil", that is "capitalist", and "democratic", and "doing genocide", but again, not precious Russia or China that does so.
  I am looking heavily into alternatives that will allow banning lemmy.ml users across the Fediverse. One is lemmy.cafe, another is the Tesseract UI as implemented e.g. on dubvee.org, and another is Mbin (maybe, unless a bug no longer allows that? I saw one report of such anyway, but don't have an account so cannot confirm), and I am leaning heavily towards joining PieFed, bc it's so exciting what it is positioning itself to become in the future. Sublinks too but it never seems to be updating anymore, so I guess it's stalled somehow.
  Dessalines can do as he pleases. If we don't like it, we can leave Lemmy. Those are our options.

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