1y ago

Say it ain’t so

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I'm fat by nature (and environment) so I have examined and tried many diets, and I think I can only say for sure a few thing about healthiness of diets:
if you eat carbs, fats beyond what is necessary to eat, are unhealthy
If you don't eat carbs you need to eat fats, some fats are better than others
If you don't eat carbs and you don't eat fats you starve - to thin then to death
Sugar is unhealthy and wrecks your teeth
Highly processed foods are not healthy
- So it's as easy as eating a balanced diet?
  
  Becoming less fat? It's hard.
  I cannot do it eating a low fat diet. I find portion control impossible, I get very hungry when I eat carbs
  The only success I have had has been on very low carb diets, but they are hard to stick to long term. I found the only one I can do easily is "zero carb"
  Ed. It's unbalanced - choose either:
  Carbs, protein & minimal high quality fats; or
  Fats, protein & minimal to zero carbs
  If you eat balanced fat, carbs, protein then you will not be healthy
  
  If it fits your macros bro
  
  Indeed, though it's hard to get fatter on fat in absence of carbs or dairy
- On the sugar note: Meat you buy in the store (for instance bacon) often have sugar additives. Better to visit the butcher.
  
  Butchers won't save you from sugar in bacon, many bacon brine recipes call for sugar, but a butcher will be able to tell you what the bacon was pickled in
  Raw, unprocessed meat (steak, chops, chicken) is generally fine
  
  Ah didn't know that, thank you. I've just started to read the ingredients list on most of the products I buy from the store and realised I can't even buy ham or many other kinds of meat, because of the sugar additives that they syringe into it.
  
  additives that they syringe into it.
  It's usually only water they syringe into meat - so they can sell a 1.5kg leg of lamb as a 1.7kg ;) but only if your food supply is really badly regulated
  The sugar in bacon is from the brine it is soaked in; in ham it's from the glaze it was coated in before it was sliced - the sugar on sliced ham is all in the edge
  Salami might have sugar to promote fermentation
  
  Glazed sliced ham? No I'm talking a bout a big piece of meat without glace. I'm not in the states though so might be different there.
  
  Sliced ham is cut from the big piece. And you're right, aside from Christmas, ham isn't usually glazed. I guess there's sugar in the pot when the ham is cooked, so I think my advice is right - the sugar will not have penetrated far
  I guess I haven't thought much about sugar in smallgoods, as it was within the 20g allowance on keto (even with a bowl of salad) and now I'm on "zero carb" I don't bother with ham because it doesn't have enough fat
  I'm also not in the states, g'day from Australia
- What about protein? There's a whole other macro you can use to make up for calories with if you cut out carbs. Eating near exclusively protein probably isn't good for you, but you won't starve. From what I've seen there can even be a lot of advantages to eating a little more protein, especially if you're doing some strength training.
  
  Protein is vital and is available on any kind of diet. Many vegetables, all meats, all fungi
  Humans can either live on carbs or live on fats, in both cases we must also eat protein
  Humans cannot (though cats can) live on protein, look up rabbit starvation. You will starve if you eat only protein, where eating only fat or only glucose will kill you much more slowly with vitamin deficiencies

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