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80% of Americans don't support gun control. American Political parties are coalitions among themselves. Even if Ds won by 20 points they won't have the support to do things like implement nationalized healthcare or overturning the 2nd Amendment.
- "80% of Americans don't support gun control" is pretty laughably wrong, considering the numbers actually paint a much different picture. According to Pew and APMRL, 58% of Americans want stricter gun laws, and nearly everyone—86%—supports universal background checks. 86%. Not exactly a fringe opinion, is it?
  Also, the idea that no one’s on board with any gun control measures conveniently ignores the fact that a majority of Republicans even support some restrictions like keeping guns out of the hands of people with mental illnesses. It’s almost like you made this number up.
  Sure, not every gun control proposal gets broad support—take things like an assault weapons ban, which has more partisan splits—but even there, almost three-quarters of Americans are on board with requiring licensing and testing, just like with cars. So, trying to paint gun control as some sort of massively unpopular idea just falls flat.
  
  According to Pew and APMRL, 58% of Americans want stricter gun laws, and nearly everyone—86%—supports universal background checks. 86%. Not exactly a fringe opinion, is it?
  They hyper majority of gun sales have background checks involved in them. Universal background checks would either ban the private sale of guns (which SCOTUS would likely overturn) or open up the background check system to private citizens (which will almost certainly be abused from a computer security perspective & will lead to people realizing just how poor the system is).
  The point isn't that 80% don't support gun control, it's that each thing on the wishlist isn't widely popular. And even if the actions would lead to a landslide, Americans wouldn't be happy about it.
  
  So, you're concerned about universal background checks affecting private sales? The whole point is to prevent dangerous individuals from using these loopholes to buy guns. Your argument is basically defending a system that lets people bypass regulations using airy justifications even though it's exactly why universal checks are necessary.
  Your claim about potential abuse from a "computer security perspective" is just weak. There’s no concrete evidence that this would be a serious, unsolvable issue. We handle sensitive data in far more complex systems, so throwing out vague concerns isn’t a valid argument. It’s just a way to avoid real engagement.
  And your SCOTUS speculation? It’s a distraction. Sure, legal challenges might come up, but that doesn’t erase the fact that 86% of Americans want universal background checks. Hiding behind hypothetical court rulings doesn’t change the overwhelming public support.
  Your entire response relies on hypothetical fears, speculative legal scenarios, and flimsy concerns about private sales. It's laughable that you can be so incredibly far off the mark about actual opinions of Americans on these topics while simultaneously claiming to speak for them. But none of it holds up against the simple fact that most Americans—across party lines—support stronger background checks and more gun control. You’re flailing to avoid engaging with the data, and it’s not working.
  
  The whole point is to prevent dangerous individuals from using these loopholes to buy guns.
  Dangerous individuals largely aren't using this loophole to buy guns. That's part of the problem.
  The only gun control that might have a chance at stopping gun crime is a total civilian ban and that requires an Amendment.
- You would have to define "gun control". As I'm sure that more than 20% of Americans would be in favor of incarcerated prisoners not being allowed to carry guns, which is a form of "gun control".
- 80% of Americans don't support gun control
  Lol, seriously? Did your NRA rep tell you that blatant lie? Source please.
  
  No polling says that. There's like 50-60% support for "more strict" gun control.
  70% opposition for a Handgun ban. And only 20% support for an outright repeal to the 2nd Amendment.
  So even if the above gathers an 80% supermajority it won't be able to maintain it if it does thing that are widely unsupported.
- Most Americans are stupid and think gun control means Guntakeaway
  
  Especially when you look at the US's largest metropolitan areas like New York and Chicago that's really the only knob that hasn't been turned. It's defacto illegal to own a gun in those areas for the common man or woman.

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