No apologies as Reddit halfheartedly tries to repair ties with moderators
Disenchanted mods Ars spoke with want change, not more communication.
“Reddit is publicly extending an olive branch to the moderator community that it largely enraged over recent weeks…But as you might expect, mods remain skeptical.”
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I left, deleted my account and any comments of value. The place is dead to me. It's incomprehensible why people are still there being butthurt about it. They haven't been kidnapped. There's no guy at the door with a gun who's suggesting they not leave.
There's nothing new, no surprises. Abusive people, who treat others poorly (spoiler!), will abuse and treat people poorly. Why hang with that?
It's like they're addicted to the free buffet. But the only thing being served lately is shit sandwiches.
Well... bon apetit ya diehards.
I mod a couple of communities I missed from Reddit. I’ve been stealing content from there to get the communities going (using the dystopia app so no ads and I don’t interact with Reddit at all). It’s honestly a bit jarring to read the nastiness/aggression in the comments after 5 weeks on lemmy. It’s so much nicer here, I hope we don’t lose that vibe completely as lemmy grows.
I have an ethical conundrum. There were a couple subs I liked. I didn't like spaz' off-putting move. But when I learned of deddit's treatment of a mod, I'd seen enough.
I moved here and setup a landing place for the members of one sub to land. It was not 'my' sub. I didn't start or mod it. But I wanted it to continue. Not much has happened with it. And the founder, whom I DMed, hasn't come over afaik.
Another sub I liked was still dark when I left, and can't find any indication of it restarting elsewhere.
I don't want to step on toes or steal anybody's sub or the credit due. I also don't want those groups to die.
What's The Right Thing to DO?
Start them if they aren't here yet. You can always hand them off if you want.
Create the communities you want to see here and treat them as completely separate entities, with their own userbase, content, etc. You'll be the only one posting at first, but if there's interest it'll catch on.
You've already gone above and beyond by inviting the Reddit mods, and I admire your sense of ethics, but no need to sweat further. In the end, ethically speaking, mods don't "own" a community, much less the intellectual concept behind a given community; they just start it hoping others will join up. So you're stealing nothing by creating your own elsewhere. That's what Lemmy is about, anyway. And if those mods or sub participants ever decide to leave Reddit and they don't like what you're doing, any one of them can create their own instance and start again just like you did.
Again, I massively respect your conscience in this. I feel like I've seen a unicorn in the wild, lol. But you're good. Go forth and create the communities you want to see.
I messaged the mods of two subreddits saying “hey, I’ve left this shithole and moved to lemmy. I’ve opened this community there and if you’d like to mod it I’m happy to add you. Just let me know.” No response. I don’t think you can be much fairer than that.
There’s two communities I opened that had existing but inactive communities on lemmy. Again I messaged them saying “do you plan on adding content to get this sub going? If not I’m happy take over for you. Meanwhile I’ve started an alternative. I’d prefer to combine the two communities than have competing ones, let me know what you’d prefer.” Again no response, so I created my own.
I don’t particularly want to be a mod, but the stubborn part of me doesn’t want to put all the legwork into building up a community that has an inactive/uninterested mod.
I volunteer admin my own public service gig elsewhere, >10 years x 365 days. It requires some diligence to try and prevent scammers and fraud - there's a bit more at stake than just memes. It don't pay much, but it's honest work.jpg
I appreciate that people keep up the groups I follow just for amusement. And I'm definitely not looking to put those mods out of a job. I know it's work, and I appreciate those who do it.
I've wondered since the grumbling started why people weren't establishing their subs elsewhere, even if just a place holder.
You've done everything ethically by contacting OG mods/founders. Go ahead and start a new thing, you're covered. 10/10 interbutt citizenship
I legitimately don't understand why there aren't more reddit-scraping Lemmy bots and entire instances dedicated to just reproducing reddit's link aggregation functionality, with local discussion. That shit would really piss of spez, and potentially harm reddit, and would make Lemmy an easier transition for a lot of people.
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