6mo ago

Just a reminder

You're viewing a single thread.

762 comments

I just want one election in my life where it's not the end of the goddamn world if Democrats lose, so I'm allowed to vote for someone I actually like.
Just one fucking election.
- You really don't. Because Dems have been selling themselves as essentially "Vote for us because you should be scared shitless the other guy might win."
  When the GOP eventually wins again (please let Trump be dead or imprisoned by then, maybe 2032 at the earliest?) if the country doesn't immediately descend into Christo-fascist super-Nazism the Dems are going to have to totally reinvent because "vote for us or it's the end of the world" won't fly any more if they lose and the world doesn't end, which means once they lose they are probably going to lose several times in a row until they come up with a better pitch.
  
  I've been reading "this is the most important election of our lifetimes" online since the 1990s. It's never the same people saying it between elections, and career politicians don't make this argument.
- I don't think that's realistic in a democracy unfortunately. It'll always come down to who you like better, but not who you actually like. Even countries with popular vote parliamentary systems don't have the luxury of voting for people they like.
  
  What a stupid world
  
  I feel ya. All we can do is try to keep our loved ones and each other safe and improve our lives.
  
  If that's all we can do why did we even bother coming down out of the trees?
  
  If we had sane voting, like STAR, we would be able to express such a preference without wasting a vote we need to cast against the worse choice.
  
  Has that worked well where it's been implemented?
- You say that like the stakes truly aren't as high as people say they are.
  
  I say that like it's happened in every fucking election I've been aware of since I was born.
  And if the stakes are even higher then we're actively circling the drain as a nation.
  
  Hmm weird because I don't remember 50% of the country saying Mitt Romney is a fascist and even if some did, they didn't have a pile of valid evidence for their argument like they have for trump today
  And that wasn't even that long ago. Huge difference, if you're thinking of making some argument that it's slowly gotten more intense.
  But yes of course every election is actually the exact fucking same. If you turn your brain all the way off anyhow.
  
  I'm not saying they're the exact fucking same. I'm saying they're getting fucking worse.
  Also wasn't the Romney election where they had "Vote or Die' shirts?
  
  You say that like people haven't been saying that exact same thing every election for all of US history. It's a tactic to silence unrepresented groups and bully them into conformity. Some people think differently from you and do legitimately view both the Democrats and Republicans as anti-democratic organizations.
  And since at least the ones on the left were personally deprived of a fair election by the Democrats in 2016 and arguably 2020, pretending the Democrats are not also a threat to democracy immediately makes any argument you make fall on deaf ears. Instead, the Dem base parrots the party lines about progressives being the ones who gave us Trump in 2016. Despite literal evidence that the Dems propped him up during the primary.
  
  This is exactly the lie this post was created to criticize
  
  What lie? Please tell me.
  
  Donald, an insurrectionist: "I should be allowed to murder political opponents."
  SCOTUS: "Oh, maybe he's right, let's consider."
  You: "Everything is fine, just another regular election."
  
  Everything is decidedly not fine. Where was that in my comment? I merely pointed out that your rhetoric is the same as we hear every election.
  
  A president who claims he can murder whomever, whenever is novel, horrifying, and would be the end of voting. Who is going to stop him if SCOTUS rules that way and how? Especially with half the legislative branch complicit. And in fact this same person has already committed an insurrection. You want to play it off, "oh, you guys are panicking every four years."
  
  Once again, you're saying I'm saying things that I'm not.
  
  No, those are the things you are saying right now.
  You're free to go in depth and clarify what your intent is saying, "we hear this every election," when people are discussing an openly authoritarian candidate who publicly wants to murder political opponents and has already done an insurrection.
  
  My intent was to push back on your unfounded retort to someone saying they wish there would be one election where the Democrats didn't try to guilt people into voting for them based on fearmongering. You responded to them with... fearmongering. I responded to you to point out that your fearmongering is the same tactic used in every election ever. I didn't make any claims about the validity of Trump's threat to the US.
  You then kept putting different words and claims into my mouth to argue against. So I kept saying "no, I'm just saying that this fearmongering is the same as has been used in every election."
- That's literally every election. You just get sucked into the left's hype. Trump isn't going to end the world or elections if he wins. Biden isn't going to make anything more democratic or fair than it already is if he wins.
  
  If you truly believe that about Trump, you are a fool. Were you stuck in a cave on Jan 6th? Do you know what Project 2025 is? Have you listened to a word Trump has said about wanting to be a dictator “for one day”?
  
  Also, SCOTUS, one of the checks and balances, captured by christo-fascists.
  
  American democracy is stronger than the whims of one man or party. You're falling into a propaganda black hole if you believe Trump is both the single biggest threat to democracy ever, and a largely incompetent president who lost as an incumbent.
  
  Nobody is saying that Trump will single-handedly do all this. What we’re saying is that he will directly or indirectly facilitate all of this, so yes he is the biggest single threat to democracy in the US we face this year.
  
  Yes, good old "it can't happen here" will keep everyone safe, I'm sure.
  Trump tried to steal the election with his fake electors and sent his supporters to storm the capitol, but let's forget that and give him another chance at it - it worked well with Hitler.
  
  SCOTUS is literally considering whether or not to hand the president a Long Knife. That's the distance we are from the precipice overlooking a reich.
  
  American democracy hasn't existed since the white man showed up.

762 comments