New polling shows most Americans and Europeans want the Ukraine war to come to an end.
New polling shows most Americans and Europeans want the Ukraine war to come to an end.
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I'm glad you agree, and that any war started by a capitalist oligarchy, but especially a blatantly imperialist land grab, should be opposed with the full force available to the people, in solidarity with both the enslaved soldiers of the aggressor nation and the working class of the defender, who will, as always, bear the brunt of the horrors unleashed by oligarchal greed.
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Weird how the chief of NATO disagrees with you , I guess you know something he doesn't:
The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.
So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. He has got the exact opposite.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm
I'll never cease to be amazed how western propagandists managed to convince people that Russia is out on a mission of imperial conquests. Imagine believing that the largest country in the world, with a low aging population, is trading people for territory.
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The invading with tanks and waves of Nazi mercenaries and conscripts is what tends to give that impression.
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That's very interesting. Turns out that it's people who stopped these people
- https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
- https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea
- https://www.internationalmagz.com/articles/conversation-with-dmitri-kovalevich
from doing these things in Donbas
- https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf
- https://www.mintpressnews.com/volodymyr-zelensky-secret-police-hunted-down-opposition-anatoly-shariy/280200/
- https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296
- https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs
who are the actual nazis. You learn new things every day I guess.
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I see, I see. The existence of a single Nazi in a country is justification for invasion, and it's absolutely impossible that nationalists will join the army of any truly just nation when it's being invaded.
Bad news for literally everyone, I guess we're just gonna do posadism now and trust in the Great Divider, the Bringer of Light to purge the filth that deserves death (and everyone else)
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That's a weird way to say that literal fascists run the government and the military, and that they've been doing ethnic cleansing in eastern Ukraine, but I guess we've already established that you're an utterly dishonest person. Bye.
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Projecting harder than an IMAX, fam
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You sure are. I provided actual sources from mainstream western media that back everything I'm saying. You've just been regurgitating talking points you've memorized this whole time while ignoring the facts. You're not fooling anybody here fam.
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Oh yeah, the anti-imperialism talking points handed out by fucking CNN lol, everyone knows they're hard-line antifa.
Hey, how many people have died in this invasion, and how many means of production has it seized for the proletariat?
And on a scale of Fascist Propaganda to Genuine Democracy, how would you rate the validity of the vote to confirm the Anschluss? Compared to Crimean annexation which also featured armed occupation military overseeing the open votes? And a 97% agreement, lmao, like 5% of the population won't vote no on anything just to be assholes.
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You're literally justifying US imperialism and NATO expansion here.
Hey, how many people have died in this invasion, and how many means of production has it seized for the proletariat?
Weird straw man that has nothing to do with anything I said.
And on a scale of Fascist Propaganda to Genuine Democracy, how would you rate the validity of the vote to confirm the Anschluss? Compared to Crimean annexation which also featured armed occupation military overseeing the open votes? And a 97% agreement, lmao, like 5% of the population won’t vote no on anything just to be assholes.
Let's just look at a few facts about Crimea from a US government study. First thing to note is that it was never part of Ukraine proper. US government referred to it as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Second thing to note is that majority of the people in Crimea do not consider themselves Ukrainian, and the biggest demographic considers themselves Russian:
Maybe learn a bit of history of how USSR cobbled Ukraine together, and where its respective parts come from, and who lives there instead of making a clown of yourself here?
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Do you understand that it's because of Russia that NATO is expanding? The countries neighboring Russia are afraid of what is just now happening in Ukraine?
For smaller countries such as in baltics joining a defense alliance is the only way. They've been illegally occupied by Russia before, they don't want that shit back.
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I understand that this is the narrative NATO propagandists like to sell. The reality is that the governments are captured by US politically, and largely don't represent the interests of the people. This is why there's massive political unrest all across Europe now, including the Baltics.
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You have no fucking idea what you're talking about, just parroting whatever the fuck you heard from radio sputnika.
Yes, USA has a ton of influence over Europe, and people are starting to understand it, but we wanted to join NATO DESPITE IT. There's really no other option.
The opinion in Finland and Sweden was for long time largely negative regarding joining NATO, but after the Russian invasion in Ukraine in 2022 people started demanding it.
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I must've missed the referendums in Finland and Sweden where the opinion of the public was considered. In fact, I distinctly remember how Swedish government said this was too important to put up for the referendum. Thanks for making my point for me there.
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