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The Palestine experience

Observe Israel definitely not being an Apartheid state.

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Can someone clarify for me
when/where was this taken
who are the people in "uniform" and how do you know
what organization published this, i don't recognize them
- So... I can't answer your questions but is is certainly in Israel or the settlements due to the writing's on the ads.
  There is no doubt that Israel would not allow anyone but themselves to behave like that inside their own territories of control so i'd say that it is pretty safe to assume that it is an Israeli authority of some sort.
  Who leaked it and when is irrelevant IMO.
  
  I would argue with the current... state... of Israel and with the intl pressures and propaganda both who and when leaked it are quite relevant. It contains no context of who these people are (police, armed forces, paramilitary), who they are attacking (cant say I see any reason to treat the second one like that regardless), or why. It is absolutely framed as a random attack on civilians, but what is the context - is it a random attack?
  Regarding who and when, there are significant propaganda campaigns on both sides and this provides considerable context. MEE was found to be editing historical videos and adding on Al Jazeera logos to make old recording look like they were Regarding events only a few hours old to spark outrage, Israel is... well being Israel.... so there is much more behind this than a 32 second video viewed in Isolation.
  
  Oh get off it. Sometimes a fucking video of police brutality is a fucking video of police brutality.
  
  Exactly, and that poster knows what they're doing, and it's not a quest for any truth. A form of gaslighting and covering up Israel's well established apartheid now outright genocide.
  
  They do know what they are doing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
  
  Thanks for the link! Sealioning more succinctly describes what i was getting at with that poster.
  
  Thats a new one.
  The issue is that I'm not after Indepth analysis and mountains if information - im after the bare basics you would expect from journalists.
  
  Yes, poor you, we are harassing you for just asking questions about just the basics.
  Rhetorically, sealioning fuses persistent questioning—often about basic information, information easily found elsewhere, or unrelated or tangential points—with a loudly-insisted-upon commitment to reasonable debate. It disguises itself as a sincere attempt to learn and communicate. Sealioning thus works both to exhaust a target's patience, attention, and communicative effort, and to portray the target as unreasonable. While the questions of the "sea lion" may seem innocent, they're intended maliciously and have harmful consequences. — Amy Johnson, Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society (May 2019) [6]
  Fuck off, troll.
  
  Well let's start with the first question - is this the police, is it the Israeli police, and how do you know?
  
  I think it's leprechauns.
  Take your sealioning elsewhere.
  
  At least a shamrock and little green hat would tell us something
  
  It takes literally 1 googling for "Israeli military police" to verify that the uniforms and gear are the same. There are multiple signs in Arabic and at least one in Hebrew.
  You can choose to keep pretending this is not painfully obvious but this is the last I'm responding to your sealioning trolling.
  
  The soldiers were not trying to arrest these men. Only bully them. They were not expecting to be hit.
  The video does not leave that much room for interpretation unless you are watching on a very low resolution.
  
  See this is the first issue I see - im arguing with someone else who calls them police, but you see them as soldiers. People can't even identify who is who.
  Right now the only thing telling me this is Israel is the title of the video, and one person telling me the signs in the back are the right language.
  
  To be fair, Hebrew only appears on signage in one area in the whole world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language
  Arabic and Hebrew are both spoken widely across Israel and Palestine (and nowhere else, according to the previous link): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Israel
  You can see a number of these numberplates in the video: http://www.worldlicenseplates.com/jpglps/AS_ISRA_GI.jpg
  You can see these uniforms in the video: https://www.pinterest.jp/pin/192599321547629934/
  It's good to stay sceptical to the last, but you are taking it a bit too far in this case.
  
  Thanks for that information - learnt something new today about where it is spoken and signage.
  I've updated a few of my other comments- can't deny this is IDF (patches are covered by look similar) but date and full story are up for context. Regardless, pretty damming evidence of conduct against any civilian population.
  
  idk why everyone is angry about pointing out the limitations of contextless garbage content that asks the audience to substitute filling in the blanks with your imagination for journalism. Though tbf it seems like doing actual journalism on this kind of thing is a very dangerous occupation right now.
  
  This is the point I'm trying to get across - three basic questions we learnt in primary school. Who is this, when did it happen, why did it happen/ why is it important? I've had one person tell me it looks like Israeli MPs, one say its police, and someone tells me it's likely in Israel or a settlement. I've been called biased and worse more times than someone can answer the basic question.
  The problem is that every article is designed to be read in three seconds, or watch a video that tells you how to react to it, with no authority or actual fact behind it.
  
  Perhaps one should go to the website whose address is written in the corner of the video? I struggle to find the article for this specific incident, because there seem to be over a thousand written articles, going back as far as 2009.
  
  This does seem like a common theme with mass produced articles.
  Another poster did provide quite a bit of information in one of my other comnents - it can absolutely be located to Israel/Palestine, 99% sure IDF based on uniform and all a blury patch comparison. Timing and story are up for debate, but issues can absolutely be drawn regardless of who the person is at the receiving end.
  Questioning calling it evidence of Israel apartheid or individual actions, but it is a piece of a much larger puzzle.
- The original post is from https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1785325593615032694
  "Israeli occupation forces assault Palestinians passing by in the occupied city of Jerusalem."
  I think it is recent. There is Hebrew text and the video is very high definition.
  
  From Wikipedia (Regarding Quds news network).
  In short - the site is soo biased and unfavorable they have been banned by X, tiktok and Meta. They have a reputation for being used to fund militant group.
  "The Jewish News Syndicate reported in 2023 that the Australian Jewish Association had criticized the site as "a notorious anti-Israel antisemitic propaganda platform affiliated with Hamas."[9] Twitter subsequently suspended QNN's accounts in November 2019 as part of broader actions against accounts linked to militant groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah.[10][11][12] In January 2021, TikTok banned QNN, stating that it was a move related to the account's content.[4] Meta suspended QNN's English and Arabic pages after the 2023 Hamas attack on Israel."
  (AP via wiki)
  It also reported that while QNN says it is independent, it has a reputation of being associated with Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a militant group.
  Not exactly a group I would associate with providing the full story
  
  So you've cherry-picked from the Wikipedia article, with the transparent goal of trying to persuade that this organisation is not reliable. For example, I could say the following:
  From Wikipedia:
  In short - the site is independent, one of the most popular news sources in Palestine. Some people have tried to connect them to Hamas, but nothing has stuck. Israel killed the director of the site in 2023.
  "In 2015, the Christian Science Monitor reported that the network was run by 12 freelance correspondents and 60 volunteer field reporters..."
  "The QNN states it is independent and funds itself through advertisements, and that it aims to expose the acts of the Israeli occupation."
  "QNN director Sari Mansour and freelance photographer Hassouneh Salim were killed by an Israeli airstrike on the Bureij refugee camp in central Gaza on 18 November 2023"
  Now I'm not saying I'm convinced either way. But my question is why are you trying obviously to convince me one way?
  
  I've cherry picked because this video has been cherrypicked, and arguing with someone who's just repeating its a video and just take what they call it as fact.
  Its like me saying "this is a video of Israel discussing and enforcing the best way to protect Palestine civilians while they protect themselves", putting up a video of a few people in a uniform talking and expecting everything to comment back how amazing Israel is - I would expect everyone to cherry pick the issues with me doing this, especially when all I do is repeat "but its a video".
  
  You cherrypicked because you have an agenda to push and it is obvious. First you try to sow doubt by "just asking questions" and then "cherrypick" a wikipedia article, trying to gaslight people who literally just watched a video.
  
  Then link the full video. "They cherry pick!!!!!", but bring nothing to the table to believe your statement.
  
  Im not the one who posted the original video.
  Its like people sprouting "prove God doesn't exist" - im not the one saying this is a fact and need to back it up.
  Saying that, one other poster did provide me with some pretty good insight with sources - ignoring before/after video possibilities the evidence they provided is pretty damming to Israel, and even without it they would have alot to answer for.
  
  Sir this is a video. Do you not trust your eyes?
  
  Propaganda bots like you fucking disgust me
- Well played, you seem to always question and needle at posts that show crimes against Palestinians. Never seem to question or confront the mass slaughter of women and children in Gaza. Never question the land grabs, the constant illegal settlement building, never the well established apartheid by Israel. Bravo, you're not bad at being an apologist for genocide. Your willingness to dehumanize the Palestinian people still reveals itself. Regardless, the world can no longer unsee the horrors in Gaza. They are starting to see that Israel is led by religious fanatics, and has become its own worst enemy.
  https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/
  
  Its almost like there is an entire propaganda campaign from both sides where facts and accuracy have taken a back seat to pushing agendas and swinging public opinion. Like the amount of people outraged by half truths is covering accurate reporting and fact from authoritive sources, and arguments are downvoting anything that doesn't confirm to their already established world view that was built on these half truths.
  If you're that pissed, block me and move on - because the basic who/when/where still hasn't been answered.
  
  Sealioning. 'Both sides' you say, and when was it that you ever focused on both sides? Tell us, what do you think of the mass slaughter of women and children in Gaza? The total leveling of infrastructure, schools, hospitals? Conditions of famine? Do you want to look up for us how many times Israel was called out for illegal settlement building going back decades? Did the land grabs ever stop? The apartheid upon the Palestinian people? The slow genocide now turned blitzkrieg. The fanatics in charge?
  Do tell. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/

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