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"But my friend runs a PinePhone as a daily driver"

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I feel like people that unironically tout Linux phones as stable enough are the same people that think we can ditch Xorg, not true even though I obviously would like it to be.
- I totally see what you mean with the GNU-like Linux phones. But what issue could you have with Wayland in the year 2024?
  
  I feel like I might've exaggerated the chasm between ditching Xorg and adopting Linux phones, Waylands only problems are really VR (just seems to be dead end outside of SteamVR) and Nvidia feature parity though that's less to do with Wayland and more to do with Nvidia dragging their feet on Linux, theres also the odd edge case like unrecognised inputs.
  
  For me steam VR doesn't work in Wayland
  
  GNU-like Linux
  PinePhone and Librem 5 actually run GNU/Linux. Same software that you can run on desktop. Only Ubuntu Touch uses Android kernel I think.
  
  Some people take offense in referring to Alpine/postmarketOS as GNU.
  
  That makes sense, but there are other popular mobile distros too. For example: Manjaro ARM and Mobian (mobile Debian).
  
  I know, I got the wording from some online website. Linux phones doesn't make too much sense to me, I would prefer to just call them GNU phones. The kernel can't be what defines this group of OSs when the main OS you're trying to exclude from this group runs the same one. GNU-like is a compromise.
  
  Using the word Linux to describe the operating system makes no sense in general. You never know if someone is talking about the OS or the kernel. GNU was developed by different people with a different philosophy and goals. When people say Linux, they usually mean GNU/Linux (Linux Mint, Arch Linux, etc). But there is also Alpine Linux, which doesn't use GNU at all, so it's not exactly the same thing. And why even name the OS after the kernel? Doesn't the name Alpine Linux sound like it's just a fork of Linux? It's super confusing and people mix it up all the time, even this community of GNU/Linux users and under this post.
  Android uses a heavily modified fork of Linux, so it doesn't use the same Linux that we use on desktop and it's definitely not a GNU/Linux operating system. So I don't know if we can call it "Linux".
  Then there is Ubuntu Touch and I don't even know how to call that. GNU/Android maybe?
  But the phones that we are talking about here I would say that those are GNU/Linux phones. Because even though many people run postmarketOS on them, they are designed to run GNU/Linux and they are shipped with it. But the phones designed to run Ubuntu Touch are something else. Maybe we should just call them Android phones, because I think that's what they are mostly designed to run.
- Oh, come on. Wayland is shipped by default by a lot of distros now because it's perfectly stable and usable in the vast majority of use cases and hardware. For every story about wayland falling down, I can come up with a dozen "stupid shit X11 does now because it's unmaintained and dev X tries to do something new with his app" stories. I do silly things like run 6 monitors on 2 GPUs on a Core 2Duo, and it runs like a top. If there's a problem, it's always something dumb i've done like knocked a cable than it is that Wayland has shit the bed. And it's been working like that for 2 years.
  I ran a Pinephone for a year as a DD back in the early days, it was a pain in the ass but it was possible if you were stubborn enough. But it was no Android. But then again, it wasn't Android.
  
  Spoke on it at the top reply
  
  I daily drive mine and it's not good, but I prefer that than running spyware.
- it is very easy to stop using xorg, lol

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