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  • I'm just tired of discussing semantics at this point so I just don't care enough to argue about what Liberal means.

    I learned my lesson, I cannot use that word online to express what the definition of Liberal means to me based on the contexts of how it was used academically/philosophically.

    GenZ is generally more progressive, but there has been a worrying rise in anti-feminism within GenZ men. The amount may be small in relation, but the fact that it is rising at all is concerning.

    • Liberal, as it was and always has been used academically and philosophically, refers to Liberalism, an ideology centered around private property rights and individual liberty as core values.

      You are using it as a synonym for open-minded and forward thinking, which are certainly good traits, but not exclusive to nor expressive of leftism. Leftism is about worker ownership of the Means of Production, plain and simple.

      As for Gen Z, yes, there is a rising reactionary movement just as there is a rising Leftist movement. Socialism is more popular than ever among Gen Z. The fact that fascism is also rising, albeit at a slower pace, among Gen Z is just a symptom of the rising Socialist sympathies. Fascism has always been expressed as a defense against rising Socialist sympathies as the bourgeoisie violently protects itself. People don't just decide to become fascist, nor do they just decide to become Socialist.

      History is driven by material conditions, not by people and ideals. Look for root causes.

      • What's your take on the Andrew Tate bullshit?

        Do you think that is in a similar vein as a reactionary fascism?

        Personally, I think it's a symptom of the new generations being less connected as a result of our social condition fueled by overuse of technology and social media.

        I see the rise of misogyny is how young men are failing to understand that it isn't just them being isolated, the young women are feeling isolated too. It's not that feminism has made women too critical of masculine traits, but rather, young men just don't realise being masculine isn't going to make you a superstar.

        Then it comes back to social media. The perception about what it takes to be loved and successful.

        • It's multifaceted, but similar.

          First, again, people are driven by material conditions more than people and ideas.

          Following this, we can see that the rise in feminism has resulted in a reactionary response from some subsets of young men. Compounding this issue is Capitalism's continued decline, by which people are further alienated not just from their labor, but from each other. The withering of communal structures and the commoditization and addiction of human contact via social media has additionally pushed young men into struggle.

          Some of these young men find misguided hope that they can still succeed in the system and come out on top, delusionally buying into alpha-male bourgeois mythos, and band together.

          It's similar to fascism rising in popularity as a response. There's a thesis, an antithesis, and eventually, a synthesis. That's the dialectic at work! Although I think people can take the dialectic too far, in an almost religious manner, it can be helpful to analyze current events.

          • I think even in a communist society, the failed experiment which is social media would have resulted in a lot of isolation.

            Being exposed to a lot of beautiful, charismatic, multi-talented people creates a perception that the one witnessing is not as special.

            Even within tighter local communities, I could see how a teenager could form a perspective of their community being below-average in talent and forming resentment.

            Of course, it's all speculation, and obviously capitalism plays a role, I'm just not convinced it's as significant as the role social media plays alone.

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