11mo ago

Does this mean I can stop stuffing my face with olives now

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Not being shot also helps
- Also not being run over by cars, and having the ability to walk/bike/take transit to get to places.
  
  Netherlands doesn't represent the whole europe. This isn't the cycling/public transport utopia you think it is.
  
  I'm well aware on account of living in non-Netherlands Europe.
  It's a mixed bag for sure, but Europe as a whole does better on both the metrics I mentioned as compared to the U.S.
  
  Exactly. Live in the U.S and just trying to look for a place that puts you in non-car distance to ANYTHING basically shows you one of two options:
  Quaint small vacation towns that are expensive because they're full of retirees. Won't find great jobs or necessities there...
  ...Or giant, overcrowded, crazy metros like Chicago, NYC, San Francisco. . .which are also absurdly expensive, dangerous, and downright filthy.
  I feel like Europe at least gives you a way better chance of finding SOMEWHERE that works.
  
  Yeah but most places in Europe don't have 16 lane highways. And there's quite a lot of old tracks that you can cycle along even if the main roads don't have separated bike and traffic.
  In the US you have the, guaranteed to cause collisions, grid layout and that's basically it. If the Americans could get a hold of the idea of not driving into each other they could also have roundabouts.
  
  "If the Americans could get a hold of the idea of not driving into each other they could also have roundabouts. "
  It's less the idea of not driving into each other, and more the idea that nobody matters more than themselves, so everyone else should give way.
  
  While true compared to the USA almost every city in Europe is a bicycle dream.
  
  Maybe biking is an exception, but for public transportation and walking, it is absolutely true that pretty much all of Europe is much better. It’s not even close.

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