Muslim Americans in swing states launch anti-Biden campaign
"We recognize that, in the next four years, our decision may cause us to have an even more difficult time. But we believe that this will give us a chance to recalibrate, and the Democrats will have to consider whether they want our votes or not."
That's gotta be one of the strangest reasonings I've heard in a while.
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Who have I insulted?
Dishonest discussion is insulting lol
All you've done is throw out supposed "gotcha" statements and added nothing to conversation. It makes me embarassed to fundamentally agree with you on things.
It's literally dipshits like you that undermine the cause of the left: head to far up your own ass to accept anything less than everything being what you want. Learn the reality of the situation before crying about how the dems did something that isn't what you think is best and turn your energy to actually achievable results
It’s literally dipshits like you that undermine the cause of the left: head to far up your own ass to accept anything less than everything being what you want.
The party should adapt to get the votes of people it needs to win.
That's not expecting everything to be like I want. That's wanting the party to do what is necessary to win so we don't get stuck with Trump again.
Dismissing them is fine if you think you don't need them. Hurling abuse at them is great if you think you can win without their votes. But if you do that, don't turn around and blame people to whom you were hostile and whose votes you didn't attempt to get.
Democrats would never act that way while trying to court Republican votes that they'll never get, but they're perfectly comfortable doing so to anyone to the left of party leadership -- votes they can get but are too proud to try getting.
Ah, finally, an actual answer
I'm explicitly talking about this scenario: American Muslims are overplaying their hand to the detriment of the rest of the bloc. What they want is utterly unattainable in such a short term, and the only counter they are attempting is threatening to vote for Trump as though it is some sort of solution. Sure, demanding a ceasefire and stopping Islamaphobia at home is a great long-term goal, but it is ludicrous to see their demands as valid when they are essentially saying "if you don't stop Islamaphobia I'm gonna be the Islamaphobes in power."
As for hurling abuse at them, I don't think any Democrat official has done anything of the sort, whereas the party they are turning to does constantly.
And when it comes to courting Republicans...they have to play nice or risk the government ceasing to function. At the same time, given current trends the Democratic party will shift more to the left because more and more young people are going to force their hand within the next decade or so as the Boomers are (thankfully) culled.
I’m explicitly talking about this scenario: American Muslims are overplaying their hand to the detriment of the rest of the bloc. What they want is utterly unattainable in such a short term, and the only counter they are attempting is threatening to vote for Trump as though it is some sort of solution. Sure, demanding a ceasefire and stopping Islamaphobia at home is a great long-term goal, but it is ludicrous to see their demands as valid when they are essentially saying “if you don’t stop Islamaphobia I’m gonna be the Islamaphobes in power.”
People do illogical things sometimes, yes. How do we go about getting them back?
At the same time, given current trends the Democratic party will shift more to the left because more and more young people are going to force their hand within the next decade or so as the Boomers are (thankfully) culled.
I wish I had your optimism regarding the future of the Democratic Party.
We get them back by reminding them of exactly what has been done for them and the realities of the alternative, as well as opening a dialog on what reasonable concessions can be made (if any). If that doesn't work, then clearly, there was no way of turning them, and they should be cut loose.
As for optimism, it's really more of simply extrapolating trends in the culture of younger generations and the realities of more workers than at least the last 40 years realizing they are being screwed and striking. Clearly, something is changing as people realize the system is a scam
We get them back by reminding them of exactly what has been done for them and the realities of the alternative,
Right. Tell them to be grateful for genocide and scream that they want trump.
as well as opening a dialog on what reasonable concessions can be made (if any).
That would be something to try. The party won't. They'll skip straight to this:
If that doesn’t work, then clearly, there was no way of turning them, and they should be cut loose.
And then act like they tried everything they could and blame them for any losses.
Right. Tell them to be grateful for genocide and scream that they want trump
No, by reminding them that "hey we are the party that stops you from actively being deported and barred from entering the country."
That's a damn convincing argument if there ever was one, and honestly if they aren't convinced it won't be a problem anymore since they won't be around next election cycle anyway after another round of republican rule...
No, by reminding them that “hey we are the party that stops you from actively being deported and barred from entering the country.”
When Democrats had control of both houses and the presidency, what legislation did they introduce to stop Muslims from being deported and barred from entry into the country? What did they put into place to keep the next bigoted turd from implementing a Muslim ban?
Oh, and they're funding a genocide?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NO_BAN_Act
They did this...it passed in the house and has been stuck in committees for ages
As for funding genocide...yeah the Democratic party has a problem in that most voters lean towards Palestine and the party doesn't, but its also a relatively "new" issue in the eyes of the public (most people didn't think about Israel or Palestine before this for any amount of time), so who knows? Maybe things shift as things go on
They did this…it passed in the house and has been stuck in committees for ages
Looks like it was introduced by Democrats during the Trump administration and then reintroduced and silently killed during the Biden administration. In fairness, it was in fact introduced. I'll give them credit for that.
As for funding genocide…yeah the Democratic party has a problem in that most voters lean towards Palestine and the party doesn’t
Wouldn't be the first time that the party acted contrary to the will of their voters and then demanded support anyway. But genocide is the issue this time. That's an extremely bitter pill to swallow, and it's disturbing to discover how many in your own party love the taste.
Maybe things shift as things go on
Democrats don't shift left.