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question was:
What if they were shooting your kids while hiding behind their own?
and your reply was
yes
albeit with a question mark, but you followed by explicitly refuting the "no" answer
If you answer no to that you’re saying I’m no better than them, and if you’re ok with that then what is your moral high ground here?
what exactly am i putting in your mouth?
- I don't know how to explain to you that it's wrong to kill their kids even if they've killed your kids. Especially when you seem determined to misconstrue anything I write.
  
  even if they’ve killed your kids.
  they have killed your kids and THEY ARE GOING TO KILL MORE YOUR KIDS.
  when you seem determined to misconstrue anything I write
  i am literally quoting you. what is there to misconstrue?
  
  Your still don't get to kill kids! I don't know what's so hard for you to understand about that or why you want so badly for it to be mostly justifiable to kill kids. You're saying that because of how morally heinous it is to kill kids you should be allowed to kill their kids. Do you not see that?
  You quote me and then you attribute meanings I don't profess. I do not say you let them keep murdering, I say you do not get to murder children to stop them and frankly again why the fuck do you want to?
  
  Do you not see that?
  i don't see that because that is not what i said. you should learn to read. i said i will do anything to protect my kids, even if it means killing yours. i will not protect your kids at the expense of mine. if there is a way not to kill anyone, great. if not, well, bad news for you - you probably shouldn't have commited terrorism and then hide behind your kids.
  I do not say you let them keep murdering
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  I say you do not get to murder children to stop them
  eh? what? you don't say A, because you say A?
  
  Holy mother of cognitive dissonance... But let's set that aside because at least you said that if there's a way to avoid murdering children, great. Israel has one of the largest, most technologically advanced, highly trained armies in the world. Their whole rhetoric right now is that Hamas is hiding in tunnels and caves under ground. And that they know where the entrances to these tunnels are. You're trying to tell me they can't get to those tunnels with their fancy military without murdering thousands of children first? Because your last sentence there is clearly meant to say to me that there is definitely no way to stop Hamas without murdering thousands of Palestinian children.
  It simply is not right. Your stance is that murdering children is ok sometimes. It is not. I shouldn't have to explain to you that it is not, and I don't know how to.
  
  Israel has one of the largest, most technologically advanced, highly trained armies in the world. Their whole rhetoric right now is that Hamas is hiding in tunnels and caves under ground. And that they know where the entrances to these tunnels are. You’re trying to tell me they can’t get to those tunnels with their fancy military without murdering thousands of children first?
  you really should offer your brilliant tactical analysis to the army, i am sure they can't wait for it, your talent is lost just arguing on the internet.
  It simply is not right. Your stance is that murdering children is ok sometimes. It is not.
  who sows the wind, reaps the storm. if israel let this go, it will result in more dead children in the future as well. war is messy and sad business and there is no way out of this that would result in zero dead children. it would be nice if there was one, but there isn't. if you have one, your nobel peace prize is waiting for you.
  
  Thank you for the snark, really appreciate it. Obviously you can't be convinced that child murder is wrong no matter who does it, and I simply can't see a way forward in this conversation if that's the case.
  
  that's the problem right here. it wasn't snark. if you have a way to deal with this without any collateral, lets here it.
  otherwise you are just a holier-than-though shouting "killing kids is bad". yes it is. everyone knows that. so what is step 2 in your plan when you are done shouting? there is a step 2, right?
  
  so... no step 2, it seems. imagine my surprise :D

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