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This sign says it all.

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Ain't that the truth. Not to mention the Israeli children gutted and beheaded by Hamas back on Oct 7th. Our tax dollars didn't pay for that, but they sure are going toward ensuring more kids and regular civilians are turned into worm food for some nonsensical war over a strip of land neither side really wants to be stuck with.
- Well, you forgot to mention the gas and oil field that UK companies and Shell would love to have access to.
  With gas coming from Russia is not a sustainable option, this gas field is what they really want.
  "Energy Ministry says a total of 12 licenses have been given to six companies, four of which are new players in the exploration of natural gas off the country's Mediterranean coast"
  This happens last week.
  Literally last week October 27.
  Is it fake news? Well the one reported this is "Times of Israel" https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-ongoing-war-bp-and-eni-among-firms-awarded-gas-exploration-licenses-in-israel/
  How much money in there? UN published a report in 2021 June estimated value for the last 10 years to be around 400 billion.
  More details from the UN website: https://unctad.org/publication/economic-costs-israeli-occupation-palestinian-people-unrealized-oil-and-natural-gas
  This is not "Isreal vs Hamas" or "Jews vs Muslims" or as some would love to say is a "historical religious war"
  This is US and UK companies vs indigenous people masked by layers of "confusion" but their ultimate goal is greed.
  The more you look for news it becomes clear what the goals are.
  Here are some headlines:
  2019 November: Cyprus signs $9 billion gas extraction deal with Israel’s Delek, other firms
  2023 February: Israel exports crude oil for first time, with shipment heading for Europe
  2023 February: Lebanon and Israel’s historic maritime border deal P.S. this to allow gas exploration.. P.S Lebanon government controlled hizballh and Iran.
  2023 March: Israel’s Offshore Gas Attracts Foreign Energy Giants
  2023 September: Benjamin Netanyahu holds his map of the “The New Middle East” as he addresses the U.N. General Assembly
  P.S. "Netanyahu took out his red marker and drew a diagonal line from Dubai along the Persian Gulf, through Israel and toward the ports of southern Europe. He hailed the supposed advent of a “corridor” of prosperity that threaded together these Arab countries and Israel at the heart of a new axis of global trade connecting Asia to Europe."
  2023 October: Netanyahu says Israel's response to Gaza attack will 'change the Middle East'
  While the conflict seeems a bit confusing looking into it from US imperialist poont view things make sense.
  There are four powers that would stop this exploration. Sadam Iraq, most likely, will attack Isreal and claim it a religious war to have access to this new wealth.
  Qaddafi Libya, he was already in dispute with turkey over gas in the area https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/02/gaddafis-prophecy-comes-true-as-foreign-powers-battle-for-libyas-oil
  Syria as Russia allies will never leave a piece of the cake either directly or throu distablization in the region. This cut russia market to eroupe.
  And finally, the indigenous people of the land....
  
  Oh for fucks sake. I wish we'd transitioned to renewable, maybe even nuclear, a lot sooner.
  How many future doctors, writers, craftsmen and families have been lost in the wind, all for that damnable black gold
  
  Back in the 70s the government funded a study which showed that America was already pretty much ready to transition to nuclear or renewable energy with a minimal investment in infrastructure (minimal by government spending standards). Here we are 50 years later still heavily dependent on oil and gas extraction from increasingly depleted sources. We CAN rely on other sources of energy and make them work - it's the big oil and gas companies that are standing in everyone's way unable to look or care beyond their own greed.
  
  That is definitely a huge factor and should have been mentioned at the very start. Greed is always the motivational factor in what humans do to each other. Munitions dealers get fat and rich off of war so have a vested interest in keeping it going. I totally agree with all the points you're making - I wish this wasn't the world we live in - but that's exactly what we're dealing with. And good luck going up against big oil or gas companies.
- nonsensical war over a strip of land
  I've struggled to understand why civilians on either side have wanted to continue residing in that specific zone after decades of clashes/violence. I know it's not as simple as just uprooting your family to move elsewhere, but as a parent I know I'd rather any other option than living in constant fear of unbridled violence erupting at any moment in a highly volatile area.
  
  Well, a part of it is that the people of Gaza are not allowed to leave.
  There are only a handful of crossings out of Gaza and Israel controls all but one. The Egyptian crossing leads out into a desolate desert with no services.
  Want to hop on a boat and flee that way? Israel will torpedo you. Want to walk up to the wall to see the boundary of your prison? Israel will machine gun you down, no questions asked, no warnings given.
  A large portion of the population of Gaza started out as refugees, forced out of their homes and off of their land so that Zionist settlers could have it.
  
  I've heard that they aren't allowed to leave, but the strip of land we're talking about isn't all that small either. I know that Israel has confined Palestines to that area for decades which is not just oppression, it's akin to running a death camp. I believe there's enough room in that region for Palestinians to live comfortably beside the Jewish people - so why not concede this land to them? And stop forcing people to remain there if the wish to leave.
  
  Even given the option, most if not all will choose to not leave. Since 48 the Palestinians have been chanting "from the river to the sea" and not taking lots of peace treaties offered by Israel and other nations, based on the premise that they'll stay in their current 67 border.
  Not to mention lots of Jews also don't wanna live in a non-jewish state of fear of prosecution, pogroms and antisemitism, which you can see examples of happening right now in Europe.
  
  An Israeli I know was given benefits from the government to settle near that area. Luckily he went to his in laws house the second the war started. But the government paying people to live there might have something to do with it
  
  I was a bit harsh but from the footage I've seen (and mind you it's almost all footage of war torn areas) I'm not understanding why there's a conflict over it at all. I do understand the history of Palestinian repressing by the country of Israel and I do understand the horrors that Hamas has unleashed - but as you say why favor living in a land of unbridled hostility and volatility. And what's to lose by giving Palestinians their land back and maybe a little more besides? Israel is a big place. There IS room for both muslims and jews. We all either learn to live in peace or we destroy each other until nothing is left.

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