1y ago

It astounds me that anyone thinks otherwise on Hamas.

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free palestine from hamas
awfully lot of people make the mistake of conflating palestinians with hamas, especially considering that the last elections were out there almost 20 years ago and weren't allowed since. west bank effectively treats gaza as under rebel government
(same goes for conflating israelis with israeli govt of course. they have mostly-functional elections, but bibi tries hard to undo it with his judiciary fuckery. this might be one reason for intelligence lapse - some army people resigned as a result of these moves and in parallel some seats were stuffed with bibi's people)
then you have this bit where likud needs hamas because this riles up israeli nationalists, which harass and contain gaza and send out settlers which radicalizes palestinian right wingers, which
this has been going on for considerable time and is deliberate strategy of likud https://www.vox.com/23910085/netanyahu-israel-right-hamas-gaza-war-history https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
goes without saying that you can't really have peaceful palestine with hamas existing but i'd also say that you can't really have peaceful palestine with likud in power
- This is the right take. Likud and Hamas (and the other minor parties/terror groups aligned with those two) deserve each other. The civilians don't deserve to be caught between them. They're both fairly popular afaik, but I can't necessarily blame the people when either side unilaterally disarming would face atrocities.
- It's all so fucked. I can't even imagine what it's like to be one of the millions of civilians caught between two groups of shitty opportunists.
- Apparently the infants are supposed to take up arms against hamas or they deserve it.
  
  how have you got to this conclusion
  
  I've been told disenfranchised Palestinians need to fight Hamas.
  
  you gotta be arguing with somebody else, because i didn't say any of that
  in a hypothetical world where you can mount meaningful opposition to hamas while living in gaza for long enough for it to matter, then yeah
  but i don't deal with counterfactuals and while this would be morally correct, heroic etc i don't expect any of this
  what i have said is that if you want to have lasting peace, you need to have both likud and hamas out of the picture. note: i'm not saying who should do it, or how, or when, or if it even will happen at all. that's because there's plenty of people whose plans and incentives don't include lasting peace and actively work against it, for example likud and hamas. and i'm not predicting anything, i'm just saying that shit's fucked and whatever happens now, it won't be pretty
  
  Oh, no. It wasn't you I was talking to. I was making a joke about another conversation I had.
  Sorry that came off so awkwardly.
  
  i don't sit inside your head, go get some sleep if you think otherwise
  
  I was agreeing with you lol
  It's funny you say that, though. I was getting an infusion when I sent that and sleep is about all my body is interested in now.

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