Buying a new car is not better than keeping an old one

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Just some points that I have not seen discussed-
Time to refuel / practical vehicle range 1a. The cost involved in having charging installed on your property
Weather. Snow. Effect of cold on batteries. I know everyone hates those evil SUV's, bit when there's 14" of snow on the ground your tesla/volt/insert your favorite EV ain't gonna cut it
To the "just put in mass transit" crowd, do you feel that eminent domain is justified to take property from someone to fulfill this need?
Honestly not trying to troll, these are real questions that should be answered
And for the record, my vehicle is a compact sedan, getting on average 34-37mpg, so I'm not in that dick-size contest over who's truck has the bigger lift kit
- Weather. Snow. Effect of cold on batteries. I know everyone hates those evil SUV’s, bit when there’s 14" of snow on the ground your tesla/volt/insert your favorite EV ain’t gonna cut it
  How so? I live in Boston, where it gets cold and snowy. During the winter, the efficiency on my Bolt goes from 4.0mi/kWh (134.8 mpg equivalent) to 2.7mi/kWh to (90.99 mpg equivalent), and I park outside in the cold. Otherwise, it works just like any car I've had. Why exactly do I need an SUV?
  
  I never said you need one. I make do without one, however there are plenty of times during our winters here the larger wheels/greater ground clearance would be extremely useful. Just because it doesn't work for you or me doesn't mean there are people it does work for.
- 1/1a. Yep. Public transit.
  Oh no. How did people do it before in the past before SUVs?! Also, public transit.
  Yes. A steong public transportation infrastructure. As we are going to experience worst and worst weather that challenges the survival of the human race, we will need to make sacrifices.
  
  The discussion was about EV's, you missed the point. But ill bite.
  1/1a. My relatively short daily commute of 20 minutes turns into 1:10. My time is more valuable than money, so no. 2. "Before the SUV" people didn't have to commute much further than down the street for work, so no. 3. Cool. You first.
  
  You had answers to your questions? I knew your comment was bait.
  Yes, I am first. I am more than happy to have new affordable housing built near me and public transportation expanded! If done well it will always be a benefit. Imagine walkable neighborhoods with buses on time?? Yes please!
  If we have an expanded public trans option, there will be less people on the road which means your commute will be shorter. Not longer. People in like Los Angeles, San Francisco, and other congested places would feel it!
  So please, less individual vehicles and more public transportation
  
  Not to argue semantics, but moving people from cars to public transit keeps the same people on the roads, but fewer vehicles. While i get your line of reasoning, accuracy counts.
  If you're willing to give up what you own to move to denser populated areas that meet your needs, great! I'm all for it. That's YOUR choice.
  On the flip side, who decides who is allowed to operate a personal vehicle? To me, that seems like the opposite of a choice.
  But once again, the conversation was about EVs. You want dense vertical growth urbanism, be my guest, but I'm really not interested.
  
  Gonna further add, if there is 14" of snow on the ground and the roads aren't clear, then with 99% of the SUVs, Trucks, and cars sold today, you aren't, and you shouldn't, be going anywhere.
  That's a design issue of the vehicle anyway, and not inherently related to the ICE vs EV drivetrain.

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