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I had a journey

Reading about FOSS philosophy, degoogling, becoming against corporations, and now a full-blown woke communist (like Linus Torvalds)

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What? These things are not related to each other by a good margin. In fact, since the FOSS is completely orderless, it goes against communism; which requires some sort of order just to be able to function. But either way, the parallel is not there or questionable at best, not to mention irrelevant.
Can we NOT drag useless politics into FOSS?
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- Yeah guys, can we NOT drag politics into the Free Software movement? Everyone knows that IP law and the whole struggle against proprietary software and the giant corporations that push it is non-political.
- Ikr it's really more like anarcho-syndicalism
  
  Lost of syndicalists see themselves as communists. Including myself. I've been on the board, on the administration team and the negotiatiok team for my syndicalist union. All communism isn't leninism.
- What do you mean by foss being orderless? Wouldn't this concept be more associated with the development structure of each project?
  
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- being against big corps is both a grassroots FOSS thing and an anticap thing. Also Socialism (step between capitalism and communism) requires "some sort of order" while communism needs as little or as much as FOSS does
- I agree, FOSS not only appeals to communists but also to the most extreme libertarians.
  Everyone acting in their own selfish interests, using the code they need and writing code to scratch their itch. Forking when they want.
  The idea of a fork (I'm not happy, I'm going to do my own thing) is absolutely not a communist concept. Communism is usually centralized planification.
  
  Is the core tenet of FOSS not about depriving any entity monopoly over the means of software production? That's basically the definition of socialism, as opposed to a fundamental of libertarianism - the incontrovertible holiness of private property.
- It is what Free Market economist Hayek called 'Spontaneous Order'. You can either have free spontaneous order as evidenced in a libre market and voluntary interaction OR controlled chaos as evidenced in governments with their IP, as well as socialist aspiring Communists societies.
- Many will scream 'but FLOSS is political'. In fact the opposite is true! FLOSS is a reaction against the political imposition called Intellectual Property. It is ANTI-political!
  
  Actions done in relation to politics are political. That's how it works. If someone is against the motivation of an economic system or a state, that is politically driven.
  Just as you are against socialism is political, being against proprietary software is as well.
  Reaction to the status quo, both against or for, is inherently political.
  
  There are two ways for humans to interact: voluntarily, with consent, permission, through agreement and contract OR through force, coercion, mandation & compulsion.
  Politics employs the later. When the former is violated it can require self-defence. FLOSS is a legal (not political) self-defence.
  
  true, just like anti-fascist partisans during world war 2 were ANTI-POLITICAL, it was just a reaction against the POLITICAL IMPOSITION called fascism /s

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