The American garbage parties
The American garbage parties
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Pretty sure most Republicans are just openly fascist now.
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Yeah, but Biden doesn't agree with literally every single view I have on everything, so they're both the same.
I swear, the new Communist push is just an alt-right front to get Tea Party Republicans in office again. Every time someone points out a random conservative or warhawk thing Biden did and says he's literally worse than Trump, I die inside.
If Trump somehow manages to win 2024 from jail, it's our fault on the Left that he wins.
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Damn if we're so important then maybe the democrats should try harder to win us over.
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Who said we're important to them. Are you so willing to let the country go to shit if you don't get your own way? Trump's actions killed a lot of people I knew and loved, and permanently devastated the lives of a lot of people who didn't end up dead. I can't say the same of Biden.
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Who said we're important to them.
You did:
"If Trump somehow manages to win 2024 from jail, it's our fault on the Left that he wins."
Are you so willing to let the country go to shit if you don't get your own way?
You bet I am. Lesser evilism is a clearly failed strategy and the country is already going to shit because of it. If your vote is guaranteed then your concerns are meaningless.
I saw where lesser evilism got us with Obama. 8 more years of war and bloodshed that accomplished nothing and brought it no closer to an end. Hundreds of thousands of innocents slain for no reason. But suddenly everyone was fine with it because "he was doing it the right way."
Fuck that, I promised myself then that I would never vote for a hawk, and I never will. Now we have one of the guys involved in perpetrating the War on Terror (also one of the architects of mass incarceration) and we have the highest military of any country of all time. Absolute non starter. I refuse to prioritize my own safety over the victims of US imperialism abroad.
It's very simple
I recieve: a hawk candidate
You recieve: a third party vote
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Who said we’re important to them. You did: “If Trump somehow manages to win 2024 from jail, it’s our fault on the Left that he wins.”
Not our fault for non-voting. Our fault for making undecided voters see Biden as literally the same as Trump. Propagandists are not important to me, but I still oppose them at all costs.
You bet I am. Lesser evilism is a clearly failed strategy
So instead you just lie and pretend the lesser evil is the greater evil? Congrats, you must be young.
I saw where lesser evilism got us with Obama
I would fucking give anything if we had another boring Obama clone win in 2016. I have DACA friends. I have had many people in my life needlessly die or suffer under Trump. I used to follow a religion that George W Bush actively tried to get banned from legal US protections because he didn't like it. And you're telling me to my face that you approve of innocent people dying so you can punish Democrats for only giving the 5% of far-left 10% of respect. Tell me that to my face. Tell me you are happy with how things went. Until then, I will point out that Biden did more for the far-left than I ever expected. And he acted with extreme prejudice to protect the people I fucking care about most.
I'm guessing you didn't have a lot of family or friends directly devastated by Trump's actions? If so, how can you be so bloody heartless?
I recieve: a hawk candidate
You recieve: a third party vote
Ah yes. Perhaps the Green party. Most heavily funded by the Republicans because it gives them presidencies. I call this "taking the majority hostage".
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So instead you just lie and pretend the lesser evil is the greater evil?
Never said this, no.
I'm guessing you didn't have a lot of family or friends directly devastated by Trump's actions? If so, how can you be so bloody heartless?
You're right, other than the fact that I moved away from my home state in part due to the rise in anti-trans sentiment and legislation (and obviously he continued the wars too so he's at least as bad). I and my family were, however, directly affected by Obama's actions in pointlessly extending the wars of aggression in the Middle East. You can read about my experiences here
Peace is absolutely not even close to being enough to address all the impending and on-going crises affecting this country. I am being extremely lax, generous, and accommodating by setting it as my sole precondition. The fact that you want me to abandon all of my principles and every single precondition so the democrats can keep following the republicans right in a self-defeating strategy is not my problem.
I call this "taking the majority hostage"
Excellent, if I have the power to take the majority hostage to the end of achieving peace, I intend to take full advantage of it.
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Every time someone points out a random conservative or warhawk thing Biden did
Maybe he shouldn't have done those things then.
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I know, maybe Biden should agree with me on everything. That would be nice. But why should we treat everyone we don't agree with on everything the same as Trump? Do you **really ** think Trump did that little wrong? Or that Biden did zero things better than Trump?
I'm truly disgusted by this. This black-and-white categorization of anyone who isn't as Left as Me as "exactly the same as Adolf Hitler". Trump quite literally preached Fascism and actively campaigned (and acted) on hurting brown people and tearing down the environment for a quick buck. Biden ran on "more middle-of-the-road shit". They are not the same.
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No one is saying they are the same. They are saying the answer is not the DNC, especially not Biden.
Trump quite literally preached Fascism and actively campaigned (and acted) on hurting brown people and tearing down the environment for a quick buck
Biden has a horrible record on racism. He was awful during integration, literally wrote the racist crime bill, and helped bail out banks in 2008 whilst crushing and eliminating black wealth. Not to mention, he rejects critiques of the police and voted to increase all budgets for police and then the military.
As far as the environment, Biden has okay'd new pipelines and given the go ahead to drill even more than his predecessor.
Biden is more polite than Trump. He doesn't usually say racist things (or when he does, it's swept under the rug). Trump has worst aesthetics for sure. But Biden materially is fucking awful, and we should not entertain any options to the contrary.
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I don't disagree with anything you said about Biden's past, but that doesn't put him categorically anywhere near Trump.
I want a world where Biden represents the Right party I hate. But right now, he's representing the only party that isn't making a goal hurting people I love. There are dead people I care about that would be alive if Trump had lost to Hillary in 2016. There are living people I love that would be dead or hurt if Trump had won in 2020. So I call that a marginal victory.
Have you not experienced that? If not, you're either lucky or isolated or ignorant of causes of things. If so, then how can you let those you love suffer without being angrier at the cause than the guy who is just "not that great"?
My problem isn't people saying Biden is bad. My problem is people saying he's as bad as Trump. As a president, he is absolutely fucking not.
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I want a world where Biden represents the Right party I hate.
The Democrats are a far-right party by international standards.
But right now, he's representing the only party that isn't making a goal hurting people I love.
I guess we'll downgrade the mass murder charges to mass manslaughter since the Democrats don't explicitly state that they want to commit genocide, even if their policies always result in genocide.
There are dead people I care about that would be alive if Trump had lost to Hillary in 2016.
100% probability Hilldawg would have killed as many or more people than Trump did. They just would have been overseas or in amerikkka's internal colonies—out of sight, in other words, so liberals like yourself wouldn't have to worry about them. "Fascism is okay as long as it doesn't negatively impact me." More people have also died of covid under Biden compared to Trump (specifically because of Biden's anti-vaxx, anti-mask policies), while the proxy war Biden started in Ukraine has resulted in hundreds of thousands of needless deaths.
My problem isn't people saying Biden is bad. My problem is people saying he's as bad as Trump. As a president, he is absolutely fucking not.
Without doing research, name a specific policy passed by Biden or the Democrats since January 2021 which has improved your material life.
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Yeah, cuz vax cards, masks, lock-downs, "necessary employees", and attacks on constitutional rights is all republicans
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Fascism is when you respond to a pandemic
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No, but trying to take people's rights away over a virus with a <2% death rate is
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What about the rights of the immunocompromised, the sick, and the children and elderly?
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They have the right to seek whatever medical interventions they desire, they even have the right to stand 6 feet away from me if they want, they just don't have the right to force anything on me I don't want for myself. It's called liberalism, something the left has forgotten about
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Do they have a right to live in a society that takes pandemics seriously so they don't end up socially murdered?
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One again, less than 2% death rate. We didn't take it seriously, we overblew it and caused mass panic for no good reason
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Yeah, it is only a couple million deaths and several million cases of long covid. /s
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And how many more committed suicide during lock downs? How many children's learning was negatively affect by distance learning? How many developed eye-strain staring at screens all day? How many who were going to die anyways had to die alone cuz of social distancing? And you can look up for yourself the developmental issues masking had on children, who rely on facial recognition to learn how to function in the world and communicate with others.
And all those who died of covid were likely going to die of covid no matter what because they had comorbities, were elderly, or were obese and no amount of masking, vaxxing, or distancing was going to stop it because none of those things have been shown to stop the spread of the virus anyways.
Its clear you've spent the last 3 years with your head buried in the sand
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And how many more committed suicide during lock downs?
Suicide rates go down during national emergencies. COVID-19 was no exception. Certain categories increased, but overall suicide rates went down due to COVID, not up.
How many children’s learning was negatively affect by distance learning? How many developed eye-strain staring at screens all day?
You're right. Eye strain is definitely more important than millions of deaths.
How many who were going to die anyways had to die alone cuz of social distancing? And
This was the proper response by hospitals using their expertise, not something Biden demanded. Now you're literally complaining about the effect of a global pandemic, not a country's response to it.
And you can look up for yourself the developmental issues masking had on children, who rely on facial recognition to learn how to function in the world and communicate with others.
Sure, and also the children of mothers who caught COVID. When schools reopened, COVID spread like wildfire and caused just as many educational and developmental delays as entire classes were stuck at home sick. Consistently, your replies are acting like everything this pandemic did can be laid at the feet of the government that tried to respond to it, as if "no response" would mean nobody would have gotten sick, that the medical establishments (that supported government response) would have done things more to your liking.
I want to make crystal clear, COVID terrified the experts worse than it terrified the government. Those of us with advanced warning had stocked pantries before the lockdown was even someone's bright idea.
And all those who died of covid were likely going to die of covid no matter what because they had comorbities, were elderly, or were obese and no amount of masking, vaxxing, or distancing was going to stop it because none of those things have been shown to stop the spread of the virus anyways.
This is filled with lies. You realize "obese" starts at a few pounds overweight, and obese people don't deserve to die either.
And you say masks weren't effective? Studies showed community mask usage caused a 70% drop in spread.. And that's just paper/cloth masks, the weakest mask you can get. If we had enough N95's for everyone and people didn't throw fucking "let's spread COVID parties" (yes, they actually fucking did), then the death toll would have been far lower. No, YOU wearing a mask isn't going to stop YOU from getting COVID. Everyone around you wearing a mask is going to stop you from getting COVID. If you don't think that's a good reason to wear a mask, you're a selfish prick.
vaxxing, or distancing was going to stop it because none of those things have been shown to stop the spread of the virus anyways.
Natural immunity didn't happen; by the 6 month mark most COVID patients have little protection against reinfection. Terrifyingly, people are just not keeping immunity to COVID. SOMETHING stopped the spread of the virus. And it wasn't something natural. Had no action been taken, COVID would have as many cases and casualties now as it did in 2020. Vaccines pushed the immunity rate to the magic 97% mark, where "herd immunity" starts to overcome the spread rate. Of course, now that people aren't getting boosters, the spread rate is going up. Luckily the new mutations don't spread as well as the original.
Its clear you’ve spent the last 3 years with your head buried in the sand
Would you have the balls to tell that to specialists who specialize in pandemic response? Prove you're not a troll, and admit that if the supermajority of actual experts disagree with you, maybe you're the one in the wrong.
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COVID-19 had the 5th worst death toll of any pandemic in human history, and is in the top 10 of global population lost. And that was with modern medicine and (with some Republican political exceptions) reasonably aggressive global response.
COVID-19 was bad, worse than most people seem to remember. I've got a pandemic-trained MCE expert in my family. Everyone saw it coming when they saw the numbers, and it happened worse than expected. Hospitals overflowing capacity from just critical cases. Tent hospitals being built. They fucking activated the mass-grave contracts to store the bodies. For the first time in nearly a century. Bet you didn't know that. OEMS doesn't publish actions like that because they don't want to cause further panic. It comes through a private email to paramedics (and, fwiw I thought this part silly, sent under a pseudonym that only people in the field would recognize)
For the record (not that I think you actually care about facts, but I'm putting this up there for neutral observers), the deadliness of a pandemic is not primarily driven by its death rate. Only an ignorant person would look to that first. A virus with a 0.1% death rate could end humankind. Many viruses with high death rates have less of an impact. Potentially more important factors are the spread rate (influenced by the incubation rate and contagiousness window), and immunity rates (both inherent immunity and acquired immunity). That COVID-19 was a COVID family of illness (cold family, no known cures, treatments, or immunization paths) made it worse.
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Just look at Florida's and Texas' response compared to New York and California. Those "Republican exceptions" had better results from not locking down. And yeah, there's an argument to made for population density especially in places like NYC, but let's also not forget that in NYC, the governor was sticking covid patients in elderly homes and upping the death rate. If the masks and vaxxes make you city rats feel safe then more power to you, but there was KO reason that stuff needed to be part of a global response
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Just look at Florida’s and Texas’ response compared to New York and California
Texas had the 3rd highest mortality rate, and Florida the 18th. Expected death rates should be relative to population density. Florida is 13th and Texas is 13th. Both states are dramatically over-represented per capita in US COVID deaths. Your numbers defend my side.
NY has the 7th highest population density and is past the middle of the pack in terms of deaths. California has the 11th highest population density and was middle of the pack.
The highest death states (other than the one you tried to use for your argument) were Oklahoma and Alabama. Both fairly low in population density. Care to read off the other high-death-toll states? West Virginia, Mississippi, Wyoming, Tennessee, Nevada, Arizona...
In fact, I'll take a step further. In swing states (like Florida), the death rate of Republicans was comfortably higher than of Democrats. It led to conspiracy theories that we were secretly creating and spreading the disease, not the fact that they had literal fucking parties to spread it on purpose.
If the masks and vaxxes make you city rats feel safe then more power to you, but there was KO reason that stuff needed to be part of a global response
The reason we needed it for a global response is that if you didn't do it, it spread to everyone and killed them. Vaccination and prevention only works when universally embraced and/or mandated. Both parties were in full agreement about that until the moment Trump started telling people to drink lysol and bleach instead (and there was a huge uptick in that!). Did you drink lysol at his suggestion?
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Do you also resent being forced to wear a seatbelt?
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Yes actually, I wear one by choice and for my wife's peace of mind, but I think its a stupid thing to be fined for
That being said, the seatbelt analogy is a piss-poor metaphor for what was going on during the pandemic as seatbelts do not have the negative side effects that masking, isolating, and the vax have been shown to have
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Do you have any real friends?
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negative side effects that masking, isolating, and the vax have been shown to have
Such as?
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Do your own research like the rest of us, don't ask me to do it for you. You've had 3 years, its not my fault you spent it with your head buried in the sand.
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Lmao. My man I have, and I'm asking you to clarify because I have not seen any of these so-called negative effects from wearing masks and taking the vaccine. Such a cop out answer. It's almost always a sign that you are talking out your ass if you aren't willing to clearly state your point.
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You're not asking me to clarify, you're asking me to collect links for you cuz you're too lazy to get out of your little echo chamber where all your favorite publications jerk each other off and promote false narratives. You're inability to branch out and interact with information that makes you uncomfortable is not my problem. Once again, you've had 3 years, there is 3 years worth of data out there for you to look at, you just have to avoid clicking on anything by CNN and the like. I'm not gonna act as your personal link aggregator
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Lmao. I have done tons of reading on the vaccine you ignorant slut. What I've concluded: this is by far the safest vaccine in human history, this is the most well documented vaccine in human history, and it's the single most widely researched and developed vaccine in human history. Do you know what typically takes vaccines years to get through testing? Finding and test subjects, both of which the COVID vaccine had in abundance. It's been 3 years - where are the supposed negative side effects from the vaccine? In all of human history, every vaccine every manufactured has had every single possible side effects emerge within 6 fucking weeks. Go look this shit up and stop projecting lmao
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Funny how you don’t have a real rebuttal so you’ve resorted to childish drawings of pig shit
"Funny how you don’t have a real rebuttal so you’ve resorted to childish drawings of pig shit"
You realize, to the rest of us, the far-right "do the research" bullshit is actually worse and more childish than actual drawings of pig shit, right?
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Doing you're own research and learning to filter out bs is more childish than following narratives pushed by MSM like sheep and responding with pictures of feces when presented with an opposing point of view? Says more about you than it does about me
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"Doing you're(sic) own research" is a dogwhistle of far right anti-intellectualism. It's saying "fuck facts, it's all a big conspiracy".
following narratives pushed by MSM like sheep and responding with pictures of feces when presented with an opposing point of view?
With all due respect, his reply to you was dramatically more effective than me sending you facts and being reasonable and polite.
Says more about you than it does about me
It sure does. That I'm stupid enough to think that I can convince flat-earthers that the world is round merely because I've made a point of becoming educated, reading studies, and applying my scientific background to separate the conspiracy theories from the chaff.
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Which rights, specifically, have been taken away?
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The right to infect and kill my neighbors so we don't have to get our cheeks a little sweaty from a mask. Obviously.
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tried
Though I would argue free speech and freedom of press took a significant hit during the pandemic
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Okay, how was there an attempt at taking away both of these things? Because I can't think of any. Also if free press took a hit during the pandemic no one told Fox News because they've been spouting their vile lies the entire time lmal
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Yeah, one major establishment news outlet made it through, great example from you there bud. Meanwhile, the literal inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology had to go on Joe rogan just to make factual claims in a calm, non-sensational manner, and he still nearly lost his job and medical license
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I think it's a great example because they're the single biggest source of conservative misinformation lmao. If the press was being silenced by some left-wing conspiracy don't you think Fox would have been a major target for them??
Ignoring the fact that Rogan is an ignorant dumbass who does absolutely no fact checking, did Malone back any of his claims up or were they all just from his mouth? Because Malone was not the "literal inventor" of mRNA vaccines. It was a huge collaborative effort that he played a part in along with hundreds of other researchers over decades. But you already know this cause you do your own research instead of just taking people's word for it right?
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I think if there was left wing conspiracy against media they would want to have an establishment right wing media in their pocket to stoke division. However, I don't think there is a left wing conspiracy against propaganda. I think there is a government wide conspiracy against media and that's why establishment media continues to exist on both sides of the aisle. That being said, it was primarily leftist sheep who were the ones begging for government to shut down conservative voices or any voices that disagreed even the slightest with the narrative being pushed by left wing medias during the height of the pandemic.
And yes, almost everything that happens is a collaboration between multiple people. Good on you for figuring that out. That doesn't mean that there are hierarchical structures within any organization that accomplishes anything. I don't think anybody believes that Dr. Malone invented the mRNA vaccine by himself in his basement with a toy chem kit from amazon. That doesn't mean he didn't spearhead the project
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it was primarily leftist sheep who were the ones begging for government to shut down conservative voices or any voices that disagreed even the slightest with the narrative being pushed by left wing medias during the height of the pandemic.
Thats because conservatives were and still are actively spreading lies!! Fucking of course we want that shit to stop.
I don't think anybody believes that Dr. Malone invented the mRNA vaccine by himself in his basement with a toy chem kit from amazon
Lmao He sure as fuck believes it (his Twitter profile even stated that he invented it when he was 28 lmao), and I think you did too until I called you out. Why else would you have called him the "literal inventor" of mRNA technology? All he did was help prove that it was possible, by the way. There's been so much more R&D since then that it's basically different technology now. What you're saying is like if the inventor of the wheel claimed that they invented cars. Go look up what his past coworkers have to say about him! One of them stated his brilliance, but also added that he's extremely stubborn and refuses to budge on things he perceives as correct even when shown differently. He's a just a narcissist.
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I saw plenty of jackasses using their free speech to spread misinformation, like the vaccines not working and the mask not being necessary.
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Except that's not true at all and if you were capable of getting out of your own echo chamber you would realize that. The only way the masks would have had any real effect is of we were all running around wearing N95s, but we weren't. People were running around in cloth masks because its easier to make fashion statements out of them. And natural immunity has been shown multiple times to give far better immunity than the vax. Even early on, studies coming out of Israel and Ireland showed that
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You do know it was only a <2% death rate because of the pandemic response, right?
The masks, the stay at home, the vaccinations were necessary because they worked.
It would have been even lower if jackasses like you didn't think they knew more about a virus than the actual scientists who dedicated their lives to researching stuff like that.
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You do know it was only a <2℅ death rate because of the pandemic response, right?
Flat out false, read something other than CNN
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Well, you had that last bit right.
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Which constitutional rights are republicans trying to take away exactly? Last I checked, it was dems that have an issue with the right to free speech and the right to bear arms
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Fuck the US constitution, it was written by slave owning trash. Fuck ”muh freeze peach” too, Nazis should not be allowed to speak freely or breathe oxygen.
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At which point did you realize you're a raging authoritarian?
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Defender of Nazis and slave owners, eh? Interesting 🤔
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Lol I'm not defending Nazis, I'm defending free speech. If you can't see the difference,maybe you're the one that shouldn't be allowed to speak
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Shit did I miss a memo? Are we doing a bit where we defend the morality of the US constitution? Hold on everyone, I call the 13th amendment!
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morality of the US constitution 13th amendment
Do you have a moral qualm with the abolishment of slavery?
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It didn't abolish slavery though.
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Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime
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Cherry-picked and taken out of context
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Here is the full context which still permits slavery so long as you've done a crime(and what counts as a crime can be modified to get the exact amount of slave labor you need)
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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