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What popular belief do you disagree with?

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Free Will
Materialism (as in, matter being the foundation of reality)
Words
- What do you consider the foundation of reality if not matter?
  
  Consciousness. Though that too is just a word, which I also don't believe in. But that's the best of all the imperfect words that at least point away from matter.
  
  consciousness might not be the basis of everything, but at least it's one of the most interesting things, so it's worth talking about :)
- I share your doubt.
- free will is just personal agency, something...most people just don't really have in our modern society, especially in most parts of the US with their entirely non-existent safety nets.
  they're so depowered and stressed day-to-day just surviving that they're physiologically incapable of thinking beyond their immediate needs/personal bubble (and that's not considering these social media algos eating away at everyones brains). free will only comes into play when the base of the hierarchy of needs is taken care of, which in our hyper-capitilist world that entire base comes down to $
  
  You're always impacted by something that directs what you end up choosing. Or even thinking. Think of a fruit. Did you choose to think of that fruit? Or did something that falls under the category of fruit just pop into your head? Literally every single thought is like that. Verbal or nonverbal. Sure you can mull over a thing forever if you like, but that too is something you don't know if you're going to do before you're doing it. Or not doing it. I can ask you to go brush your teeth right now. You can deliberate "it's good for me, no reason not to do it, oh but I already did some time ago, I don't wanna just do something because this dude online said so, maybe I'll choose to do it just to prove a point..." endlessly but you have no idea what you end up choosing a single moment sooner than you do. You just tell yourself after the fact that you "chose" to do it or not do it, which also just depends on how attached you are the idea of free will.
  
  yeah i get your point, humans are deterministic machines kinda but also, if you really look into IT and computers, you'll already find that computers (which are definitely highly deterministic, i.e. their behavior is exactly dependent on the input) are already so complex that they can often only be understood statistically, and that leads to organic behavior, where you sometimes ascribe certain character traits to the computer because it's easier to deal with than to use a deterministic mindset. and if that's useful way of looking at things for computers, it surely also is for humans.
- free will? that was long ago. now it's enshitified to hell, ads, subscription tiers...
  all my homies pirate free will.

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