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Trump DoJ ‘immediately’ stops enforcing prison rape protections for trans and intersex people, according to leaked memo

www.the-independent.com Trump admin ‘immediately’ stops enforcing LGBT+ prison rape protections: report

The Department of Justice instructed prison auditors across the country to simply stop assessing whether facilities are violating laws designed to shield LGBT+ prisoners from sexual abuse

The Department of Justice instructed prison auditors across the country to simply stop assessing whether facilities are violating laws designed to shield LGBT+ prisoners from sexual abuse

The U.S. Department of Justice will "immediately" stop enforcing a swathe of federal regulations protecting trans and intersex prisoners from rape and sexual assault, according to leaked documents.

In a memo obtained by the non-profit news outlet Prism, DoJ official Tammie M. Gregg told prison auditors across the nation to "immediately pause" all "compliance determinations" for key safety rules concerning LGBTQI+ inmates, and advise prisons to "disregard" them.

Those rules include requiring trans and intersex prisoners to be allowed separate showers, banning body searches purely for the purpose of finding out what genitals they have, and requiring prison staff to consider their safety when assigning them to male or female wings.

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Goddammit they so fucking evil and we have no one to stop them.
- They’re not going to stop. People like this don’t stop. They don’t stop until forced. Power is the only language they understand.
  
  I guess we need to take the power back. Someone should write a song.
  
  can we use force?
- and we have no one to stop them
  It's not going to take "one" to stop them.
  It'll take concerted group action.
  Which seems impossible in a country of "rugged individualists" who don't seem to grasp the concept of working together toward a common goal.
  (Don't just downvote me - prove my cynicism wrong)
- We did but they missed.
- Maybe we could stop them, instead of waiting for someone else to do it.
  
  Okay I'm game. What's the plan? Or where are we meeting? Because its going take rebellion to fight against these fascist. No voting it away. Oh and we must plan it without using our phones or social media since they track everything.
  Opps guess already failed that by asking the above questions. And no way can we organize a rebellion or protest that doesn't have to be first announced on social media. Like those No Kings Protest. Bet everyone who attended now on a list somewhere and when ready ICE will round us all up. Remember they are using the nazi playbook. And one of them is to round up undesirables and people who are against them.
  With the Supreme Court about rule against birthright citizenship it is just another stepping stone until they can round up citizens and put us in camps. If we allow it get to that point it will be to late to fight back and win.

Fuck this whole administration. Fucking disgusting.
I'm not American, but that violates the "cruel and unusual punishment" part of the constitution, no?
- Haha silly foreigner, you think we still follow that old piece of paper.
- There has long been a dark undertow of anti-intellectuals and sick fuckers in this country that I've encountered with all my life that practically celebrate prison rape (of men by other men) because they think it's deserved. For pretty much any crime, they think that is part of the punishment.
  They are sick and broken people, and unfortunately, it is part and parcel of the culture.
  When W came along and proposed doing something about this, I remember having conversations much like I had on the playground, except with supposed functioning adults - they'd give blank stares as if they thought it was anathema to do something about it. They seriously think that rape (and other violence) is something you deserve in prison. Like it didn't even compute for them to have no tolerance for rape of men.
  I'm sure these people think that trans/intersex "deserve" it even more so...
  
  People like that think rape is ok, period. They don't believe women about it, either, because they think any "excuse" you give the rapist is valid whether it's wearing a skirt, having a drink, being LGBT+, committing any crime, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, etc.
  They think rape is the right of men. (They likely also believe female perpetrated rape isn't real at all)
- The ghouls on the supreme court have ruled that to be banned, a punishment must be both cruel and unusual. If it's cruel and common then it's fine for certain types of cruelty. Like solitary confinement lasting weeks, or months, or even years in some cases.
  There are more okay forms of cruelty, and a lot of things that are banned, but fewer banned things than anyone with human empathy would condone.

If you order and carry out this kind of thing, there is something wrong with your brain.
Even W had the fucking decency to start initiatives to do something about prison rape, FFS.
- W?
  
  Dubya. Bush II, electric boogaloo. Dodger here, on your left (his right):
  
  George Washington (real answer, George W Bush)

Just a WILD thought….. how about everyone has rape protections?
- Ironically, W is the one that signed the Prison Rape Elimination Act. I remember talking to conservatives that thought W was speaking some kind of foreign language.
- Sounds like socialism
- No but you see, it's funny when men and minorities are raped.
  /s

Expected nothing less from a child rapist.
- And a removed himself
  
  Ain't nothin wrong with sucking a little cock though

These people want everyone raped in prison.
They’re fundamentally the most evil people to exist and need to be killed before they kill us first
- I wonder when Donvict issues executive order to reverse W's PREA.
  
  hopefully nobody reminds them because I'm confident these people think prison rape is the entire point of prisons

And the Project2025 agenda takes yet another step towards their dream goal of a theocratic dictatorship.
- I keep hoping that the people will come to their senses at some point. But I suspect that this is just what America is. I’ve never in my lifetime been more ashamed to be an American.

Cruelty is the point
- Americans genuinely seem to believe that sexual assault in prison is an engineered intention of the prison system. We also get an earful about how rape is the consequence of inmates assaulting one another with scant acknowledgement of the chronic abuse by prison staff against inmates.
  No real consideration of why the US is uniquely positioned as having some of the most dangerous and deplorable prisons in the world. No real introspection surrounding the real purpose of inmate torture and abuse, or how it facilitates the profiteering off of inmate labor.
  
  Well it's simple. The US just didn't want to give slavery away, because then they'd have had no production capabilities to compete on international markets.
  So that's why the US has the highest % of prisoners in the world. US prison population is similar size as China's prison population and there's 4x as many people in China.
  1.7 million prisoners. That's like 1/100 adults.
  And once you go in, even for a small crime, your probably just end up doing worse shit inside. The recidivism rate in the US is crazy.
  
  no real consideration? what do you meeeeeean american exceptionalism
- There literally could not be any other possible point to this, even if they tried

Seems like a feature of American prisons. Never see articles about European prisons having problems with rape.

“Americans allow Trump DoJ to immediately stop enforcing prison rape protections for trans and intersex people”
Fixed
- They'll have another No Kings march in a few months. That should do it.
  
  What do you suggest I, and American, do? I'm part of local antifascist and socialist organizations. I help support those most affected by the gestapo. I protest (and yes, I attended No Kings) and frequently write my local officials and representatives. Am I supposed to rise up in revolution? With what organization? How do we have any possible chance of defeating the US military, much less the Christian right who own almost all the weapons?
  Genuinely, what else do I do. I feel like I'm doing everything I physically can to resist short of throwing my life away in what will be deemed a "terrorist attack" the next day, and yet constantly see people derisively commenting on the uselessness of American opposition short of a hopeless violent revolution. What would you have me do? Not protest? It's one of the few ways that most citizens can resist, and the administration clearly fucking hates it.
  
  Easy to talk shit while sitting in another country. These same types of monsters are working to take Canada as well. If they do, I’ll make sure to post a snarky lil comment about it while you’re struggling.
  
  But it'll be on Saturday and that's when oligarchs housewives is on tv.
  
  You mean the cute little parade, right?
  Only if the weather’s nice. And if they get all their permits beforehand.
- Ah yes, blame the people not in charge just like the ruling class likes.
  
  Given your constitution it is absolutely the peoples’ fault that the ruling class exists.

In a memo obtained by the non-profit news outlet Prism, DoJ official Tammie M. Gregg told prison auditors across the nation to "immediately pause" all "compliance determinations" for key safety rules concerning LGBTQI+ inmates, and advise prisons to "disregard" them.
Holy shit, Tammie M Gregg was former director of the National Prison Project for the ACLU. Goddamn.
Tammie M. Gregg was the Deputy Director for the ACLU’s National Prison Project. Tammie also led the ACLU's Stop Solitary campaign. Tammie came to NPP from a long and distinguished career with the U.S. Department of Justice and other federal agencies. After beginning her career with law firms in Minneapolis and Washington, in 2000 she joined DOJ as a trial attorney in the Civil Rights Division. From 2003 to 2011 she was a senior attorney in the Special Litigation Section, where she worked on cases involving prisons, jails, and policing. She rose to the level of Principal Deputy Chief of the Section, where she provided day-to-day supervision to a staff of over 70 people.
What the actual goddamned fuck
15th National Indian Nations Conference - Opening Remarks - Tammie Gregg
- Goddamn, we're all fucking corruptable for a price, aren't we?

Do we have another bloodthirsty republican who's itching to shoot someone in office again?
- now now it is illegal to say that if you're talking about trump, but NOT illegal to say "with a mortar launcher" because that's its own sentence; it's an incomplete sentence that had absolutely nothing to do with what was said before that, so perfectly fine, perfectly legal.
  still illegal to wish death on trump (as president) though, but technically legal to say "we have a group that meets fridays under the brooklyn bridge, we sing sabrina carpenter karaokes after meetings, and the password is 'sic semper tyrannis'".
  
  something something revolution in minecraft

Can one of you guys just go do the thing already
- Somebody is closer than anyone else to the guy and could do the thing. We just need that person to realize it.

Going to Hell is getting off too easy for these people. Jfc. I want to fucking scream at the top of my lungs.
- There is no hell - if we want them to ever face some kind of punishment for their actions, we're gonna have to do it ourselves...
  
  There is no hell
  Sure there is. Just look around you!
  
  Spain put their fascists to the guillotine.
  
  I don't need them to be punished, I'd be very happy if they just got Thanos-snapped out of reality where they can't hurt people.

Welcome to fascism.
I hope that Jill Stein vote sticks in your larynx.
- Blame the non-voters for supporting this not the voters that didn’t vote for this.
  
  Voting for a candidate that can't win is worse than not voting. Third-parties actively harmed the process and used resources that could have been spent preventing this bullshit.
  We live in a 2-party system. If you aren't happy with the Dems, make that displeasure known in the primaries, then vote against the fascists in the general election no matter what. It's not that fucking complicated.
  
  I’ll blame both. Tossing away a vote on a guaranteed loser candidate is the exact same as stepping aside and allowing fascism free rein.
  People vote 3rd party to be able to smugly claim they voted while pretending to not be part of what caused the issue.
  I’ll say it clearly so it’s easier understood:
  WHERE YOU ASSUMED YOU WERE BEING ASKED TO VOTE DEMOCRAT- YOU WERE BEING ASKED TO VOTE AGAINST FASCISM.
  I seriously don’t know how this was so difficult that over 4 million people couldn’t figure it out
- I don't agree with that strategy either, but she didn't carry enough votes to have made the difference anyway...
- According to the electoral college, every state either voted 100% for trump or harris. So no one voted for Jil Stein. And if you’re in a red state, NO ONE VOTED FOR HARRIS EITHER, and vice versa. Stop purposely being stupid of this fact.
- Yeah, to al the assholes who decided not to vote for a progressive
  We could've had West abolish prisons
  
  Fucking hilarious! Hey, real quick, what’s West been up to since November?
  Remember when we tried to tell you that he and all the rest of the party dividers would disappear post-election?
  Yeah. Maybe you’ll listen next time. That dude didn’t give a shit. He’s paid to split the vote and that’s what he does.

A crurl racist pedophile rapist removes protections against rape for a vulnerable minority
Well I for one am shocked and did not see this coming! Get fucked by an umbrella, you assholes
How about just making sure that rape doesn't happen anymore AT ALL in US prisons? It's seriously wild that "don't drop your soap now!" os a joke because its funny because rape in US jails is so normalized that we went from outrage to just lolling about it.

I would not have thought a policy position could be objectively described as 'pro-rape', just inarguably, but, well, here we have it.
Fucking horrifying.

It's cruelty all the way down.

There are zero peaceful resolutions in dealing with the christian menace

Genuinely horrific <3

No surprise coming from a serial rapist dictator

Wait, they can just carve out exceptions for Rape they like?

we need a revolution. seriously!
- … after you!

To the self-described trans person all over these threads last year shitting on Harris: We Told You So.
Remember this when your in-group starts shitting on the midterm candidates and voting in general.
- I still can't grasp this. No, Kamala was not my ideal candidate. No, I didn't agree with her on everything.
  But in the US two party POS system, why would anyone think voting for the very much lesser of two evils is bad? It's insanity to just hand the reigns of America over to a terrorist organization. Jesus fucking christ.
- But they might try to negotiate with israel for a ceasefire instead of immediately nuking tel aviv. (Nevermind the Rs bloodlust in "developing" gaza)
- They won't

Since rape is the only way most of them can get laid, and they’re all about to go to prison within the next few years….
This tracks.

I'm going to carry KY with me at all times now. Just in case a Republican sends me to an unwilling orgy.

10 year ago I said to my self: "Why is my life so boring, wouldn't it be fun to witness some interesting event!"
I was not looking forward to this... 🙃
Chat, are we cooked?
Bring in the FG204, we gotta go back, we gotta reach Steins Gate.