The Auto Industry Was Warned: Battery Recycling Was Poisoning People
Despite decades of evidence on the toxic effects of lead battery recycling, companies opted not to act and blocked efforts to clean up the industry.
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Imagine the damage recycling EV batteries will cause.
Not to be anti-EV, but more to be pro-transits/bike.
For what it’s worth, it’s not anti anything to point out flaws. If anything, it’s being pro because it opens the door for a conversation; which, if both sides come at it in good faith, can lead to change.
if both sides come at it in good faith
ahahahah, good one
I think that my ratio makes your point, lol. I neglected to note that we need to do better, instead of just leaving it open ended.
My understanding of the current process is that it’s quite wasteful/under development. With the state of things as they are it seems unlikely that the automakers are going to improve things over the recycling that they encouraged with lead acid. But one can hope, and lobby for change.
Yeah, I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted. Everything you said is true, and respectful.
I think open-ended can be okay, so long as there are milestones we can achieve (i.e. try different things out to see what works and what doesn’t). Something as big as the environment, health/safety, and not completely alienating industries (as much as I hate to say it, we do need them and their resources to an extent), is not something that is going to be easily solved without compromise.
I expect that my last two points will not win me any popularity contests, but they cannot be ignored.
I like it, but it’s contingent on Americans actually wanting to solve the issue instead of one upping each other.
Yes, but there are a few of us out there who want to see good things happen for all people.
Americans are unlikely to solve anything until their society goes through some dramatic changes.
That’ll take generations, we’re so absolutely fucked in this shit hole
Gotta start somewhere, and gotta keep at it. It’s difficult at times, and there certainly are people who just want to see the world burn. But fuck them. They aren’t worth our time and energy.
people who just want to see the world burn.
It stands to reason that if set on fire, their entire world will be, in fact, burning.
Maybe less. But yeah.
Which is kinda what your post is doing
Lithium and lead are drastically different elements.
This is the same shit people use to lambast vaping based of the effects of inhaling burnt plant matter.
No one is doing that. Dihydroacetone released from heated vape juice is just as carcinogenic as tobacco compounds. Huffing any chemical in high concentration is stupid.
“Just as carcinogenic” is not demonstrated by that study.
Also "inhaling any chemicals is stupid" shows their level of knowledge considering the air we breath is a chemical.
please fuck off you know what I mean. sucking on mystery chinese chemicals is stupid.
Oh they're "mystery chemicals" now? I thought you posted a study referencing a specific chemical.
This exactly highlights my previous point about conflating cigarettes with vaping. Now youre arguing "we dont even know what's in them so they're definitely harmful because look at how harmful this completely separate product is!" We're supposed to just take your argument on faith despite your inability to even use the proper terminology all because this other inhaled product with completely separate chemicals and chemical reactions is bad for you.
"we confirmed the mutagenesis observed using the supF reporter plasmid. DHA increased the mutation frequency, consistent with methylmethane sulfonate, a mutagen and clastogen. These data demonstrate DHA is a clastogen, inducing cell-specific genotoxicity and chromosomal instability. "
I know, big words.
Yes, carcinogenic. Not “just as” carcinogenic.
I am a biochemist. These are not big words to me. I actually read the findings section, not only the abstract.
EV batteries are often still good to use as they are for other purposes. Like home power storage. Their storage amount gets low enough that they aren't giving sufficient range anymore, but they still have plenty of life left in different applications.
There's a million reasons to prefer bikes and public transit over cars in general. The reasons specific to EVs are usually bullshit.
Look man, you need to do better. You want busses to run on diesel, or really any hydrocarbon? No that's idiocy at this point. So we still need to recycle stuff. We already know how, but the misleading article makes it seem like we don't, cu they tried to half ass it.
Imagine the damage recycling EV batteries will cause.
EV batteries are mostly aluminum, some lithium , carbon as graphite, small amount of cobalt and nickel. None of these are as toxic as lead, but proper lead recycling is not toxic.
Currently my understanding of lion recycling is they grind it, dump it into a slurry, and some of the metals are recovered and the rest is a toxic soup. Mostly because the recycling is very much under development.
I think that the lesson we can draw from this is that the current system of auto recycling needs more guidelines as we move forward with EVs.
Outdated. The materials are recovered at high yield and can be infinitely recycled. It kills the idea that we can't make enough batteries, no more credible than we can't make enough beer cans.
That’s great news, as an EV owner. I don’t need to worry as much about the future state of the pack.
pro-transits
How pluralizing an uncountable/mass noun implies pros are transiting.
The hyphen removes that option of intended meaning.