Republicans are honest fascists. Democrats are fascists in disguise.
Republicans are honest fascists. Democrats are fascists in disguise.
cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/6702513
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Same energy as the Fox News classic "you complain about police violence but you never complain about gang violence".
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It's the same picture.
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The ruling class of America sees the mayoral elections of Mamdani and Wilson as more dangerous and threatening than Trump and MAGA.
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That's why they've been fighting socialist and communist ideology for over 100 years. It would give us real power in politics and they would lose the privileges afforded to them by the status quo.
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Should have elected Luigi
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He wasn't only here ticket.
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Watching the Mamdani election play out was wild. Seeing the biggest challenge being 2 people from the same side argue and talk crap for months was disgusting. Siding with Trump on top of it all because of how scared they were. They were so desperate they had no choice but to not even pretend anymore, like when Biden magically started winning against Bernie in 2020. The next 10 years will be even weirder as more people catch on.
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"Both sides are the same but the dems are worse" - said by nobody who is paying attention. There is a reason 'both sides' is exclusively weaponized towards one party and not the other.
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this meme doesn't say they are worse
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Yes it does. "They are both terrible in every way, but the dems are also dishonest gaslighters."
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It's really sad to see how many people fall into the trap of party identity instead of thinking for themselves.
It's incredibly obvious that the Democrat leadership and establishment has long since stopped caring about their constituents and prioritized corporate interest.
It's so frustrating that people have become so wrapped up with party identity that they can't just not see the cancer, they actively defend it.
"Blue no matter who" and the general response to this meme is so fucking stupid because it keeps the corrupt establishment in power and sidelines the actual progressives.
Edit: I bet you people are mad that Cuomo lost because you all obviously love your establishment shills so much.
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One of them are wolves in sheep clothing. The other are just wolves, period.
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You know to shoot the wolves.
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Billionaires plan is now: it’s an IMMEDIATE THREAT IF VOTERS JOIN THE DEMS
the will do everything in their power (like this meme) to drive you away
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billionaires fund democrats too lmao
the fact that so many people (and presumably you) think "voting for the lesser evil" is the end all be all of political engagement is perhaps one of the bourgeoisie’s greatest victories
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Yeah it's fucking wild that people are defending neoliberals so hard as if neoliberals didn't just dick the whole shutdown.
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Democrats cannot be trusted. They will betray everyone as we have just seen with the government closure vote
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How can you blame the entire party for the actions of a few? Most Democrats, establishment and otherwise, seem really upset by what those senators have done
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billionaires plan is to buy the current president or congress and do whatever they want anyway, like they have been doing for decades.
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The DNC and Dem leadership are the guard dogs of Fascism. The rest don't matter.
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"Lap dogs" might be more accurate.
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Some years ago I concluded that in my own value framework, Hypocrisy was one of the greatest sins, just short of things like purposefully harming others for fun.
So yeah, an honest greedy fucker who doesn't hide they don't give a rat's arse about who they harm and how badly in the pursuit of their personal upside maximization is actually a better person (more precisely, a less bad person) than an hypocrite greedy fuck who won't give a rat's arse about who they harm and how badly in the pursuit of their personal upside maximization but try and pass themselves as caring and nice.
You see, they're both doing nasty things to others for personal gain, but the latter is poisoning the well of trust and by hiding their true nature manages to do far more harm than the former before people catch on to it and stop it.
Further, as far as I know there is no positive reason to use hypocrisy: it's only ever used to hide evil intent.
I suspect that alll in all hypocrites do a lot more harm to others than people who are just openly selfish.
That said, in the US Republicans too are hypocrites - notice how they promised all sorts of good things to people like farmers and then did the opposite.
Hypocrisy seems to be a general problem of big party politics.
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Why do I criticize your party more than Democrats?
Because Democratic candidates promise 100% and achieve maybe 30%.
Your party achieves 0% of its goals. You're not even on the ballot. Your criticism is exactly as valuable as it sounds.
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Your party has lost two elections to a carnival barker. I don't think Democrats are in a position to say whose criticism is valuable.
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pray, mr. anti, which is your party?
Clearly, it’s lost to both the Democrats and the carnival barker.
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I'm not a Democrat :) try again.
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I was going to say your party promises not to do genocide but doesn't achieve that goal so that 70% is more important than the 30%. But they don't even do that.
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Just be sure to climb down off the fence before the barbed wire goes up.
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the ones who still believe in electoralism are the ones truly on the fence
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[re-commenting with no instance shaming]
Every Marxist-Leninist user
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No rational or decent person ever refused to vote against Republicans in swing states.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States
The issue isn't one of rationality or decency. The issue is of exhausting a constituency with barriers and terrorizing them with criminal liability while controlling the privatized mechanism for counting votes
At some point, its two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. "No harm in voting" totally misses the problem at hand.
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Reform is a tool deployed by the oligarchy to stay in power. It stops progress and results in incremental fascism disguised as a lesser evil. Reform gives the illusion that voters have a part in deciding political outcomes despite several studies showing voters have zero influence in politicians and their policies.
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Cool cool, so why does voting vs not voting matter? What actionable alternatives would you suggest and why do those preclude checking a box on a piece of paper?
I'd argue that even an illusory vote has value as a public barometer. If 80% of a voter base is consistently voting against the incumbent party it tells you way more about their discontent than 80% not showing up.
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Another Rosa Luxemburg fan I see. She spoke the gospel.
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Reform is a tool deployed by the oligarchy to stay in power.
Its a political relief valve to limit the scope of corruption and the degree to which the public experiences pain. If you're in the corona of folks who enjoy relief via reform, it is often enough to quell your desire to overthrow the system. If you're not, it costs you support - often along ethnic or regional lines - in a way that divides your neighbors against you.
Reform gives the illusion that voters have a part in deciding political outcomes
Voters are deciding political outcomes. Large waves of angry voters do change policies by forcing the government leadership into a reform cycle. This is often preferable to violent confrontations between an increasingly unpopular state leadership and growing crowds of dissidents.
Reform isn't an illusion. It has material consequences for a subset of the angry populace. Soothing this populace and winning them back to the establishment's side is why reforms work as a mitigation of revolution.
The illusion is in the belief that reforms aren't necessary. Government leadership pumped up on its own hubris will often exceed the limits of the institutional system and undermine their function. Because reform requires appeasing people outside your immediate interest groups, they can often be characterized as an act of weakness rather than a strategic concession. And leadership that relies on the impression of strength (and the overt displays of brutality) can abandon reform as a vehicle for tempering hostility to policy changes, leading to revolutionary movements.
studies showing voters have zero influence in politicians and their policies
Studies have shown a large gap between public opinion and public policy. What these studies regularly neglect is the popular rejection of ostensibly favorable public policy, often in the wake of a short term media campaign or sudden economic shift, which temporarily change their historically stated positions.
Consent can and does get manufactured. And this consent is reflected in subsequent election results.
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Nothing lost by protest voting then
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You are confusing MLs with anarchists. MLs always think of the strategic importance of elections and choosing the lesser of evils.
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I mean, yes and…
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Nope, Dems are fascists too
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downvotes from people who don't know what fascism is
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8 Senators don't vote the way you want and now EVERY Democrat is a fascist.
Embarrassing childish fucking nonsense.
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And they just happened to be people retiring, convenient, no way this is with the blessing of Schumer and the DNC...
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Dick Durbin is the minority whip.
If you don't realize this represents the Dem establishment at its core and those 8 were carefully selected you are genuinely hopeless
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Schumer and Ossoff we're also orchestrating it, so they're equally to blame.
Getting mad at all the others who are just as furious about the caving is idiotic though yeah
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I have a bridge to sell you.
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8 Senators don’t vote the way you want and now EVERY Democrat is a fascist.
8 senators vote the way you want and now you're calling anyone who doesn't love it a child. Standard centrist.
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you read a different meme than I did
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Two sides of the same coin.
Funny republicans saying I'm helping Democrats when I write in a name or vote for a third party.Democrats say I am helping the Republicans. Truth is George Washington was right. Political Parties have corrupted our nation. I'm surprised that we've lasted this long.
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Damn, he's kinda got a point
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It's demoralizing that we have to wait out the old white men in order to have progressive thought.
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If Dems are so bad then why did they shutdown the government to save ACA.
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Oops someone didn’t hear the senate passed the budget with the ACA cuts.
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Hey hey hey! The crossed the aisle to create a historic bipartisan agreement to reopen it!
Checks notes: ah yes, see? Brilliant negotiations! The gop got everything, and the dems got assurance that they will have a vote on the aca benefits! I mean, the vote will just be no, but come on, what skill! Truly, no one could have squeeze more from the deal!
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Because they shutdown the government because people were clamoring for some semblance of resistance, and there was an election coming up. They capitulated as soon as they could after the polls closed.
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They didn't shut down government to save the ACA, they shut down government to win a couple of elections. Thousands of federal employees went over a month without pay so they could win a couple of elections. They denied SNAP benefits to 42,000 people so they could win a couple of elections. And now that those elections are over, they have voted to reopen government with absolutely none of their demands being met.
And Bernie Sanders can go fuck himself. He is nothing but a sheep dog to the fascist oligarchy
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I really don't know how thin a disguise has to be before you question the fooled.
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I don't vote for Republicans. Never have, never will. I do engage with Democrats, and tell them my needs and expectations.
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What a stupid take.
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If a bar has Nazis, it’s a Nazi bar. If the Dems are collaborating with Nazis, as this latest move certainly makes it seem, then they are also Nazis.
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Even between Nazis there are levels. You wouldn't put Hitler and some german citizen that voted for him at the same level, both suck but are not the same.
Democrats have definitely shown to not be as bad as Republicans. The system is broken but you can choose to say "It's all the same, so I won't do shit" or you can choose to acknowledge that even within this shitty system, there are better and worse options.
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Honest my ass. They lie almost as much as their orange hogfather
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You see, the DNC, leaders of the DNC, know that your only sensible options are voting for them or sawing your own legs off, and they know that the reasonable people know this and the loud people are not smart.
This means that any time they lose, they can use that opportunity to shift more towards the right, as they are for the most part old, rich, conservative people.
The only thing they actually fear, is people being consistent long term in both voting for them, and voting to replace them slowly with more progressive elements, but we’re back at the loud people being dumb and encouraging voter apathy amongst themselves and others because it feels cathartic to complain when this is exactly what the DNC wants. They want voter apathy so they can continue to shift to the right. If they kept winning, and progressives kept winning, they’d have no choice but to shift to the left.
It feels so obvious, but on this site, it seems you are seen to be crazy if you suggest anything other than some fantasy solution involving guillotines and a lot of “no, you go first”, or more self foot gunning.
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true, nothing worse than hypocrites.
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Yes comrades, vote Republican. If the pain and suffering continues for long enough, America will realize capitalism doesn't work, and the year of
the Linux desktopAmerican communism will finally arrive!-
False dichotomy
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This guy wants you to throw your vote away.
so edgy
This guy wants you to keep doing the same useless thing, already obvious and ridiculed 150 years ago
Just commenting here so it's high up enough to see: this guy is an admitted accelerationist. Position invalidated. Thanks.
They mainly just want you to vote more than once every 4 years
please provide evidence
Any vote in the oligarchy is a vote thrown away.
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You should read more theory
This guy wants you to throw your vote away.
if industrystandard and anticolonial are against me, I know I’m doing something right. Let’s get tokenboomer and givesomefucks and universalmonkey here too.
If recent history is any indicator of how much Democrats are willing to fight for what's right, I have better things to do with my fucking time than vote. I'm done with them.
At least vote in the primaries
If slightly less but still very much recent history is any indicator, that attitude is exactly what got us into this shit in the first place. One group isn't doing what's right, so let's just hand victory to the group that pledges to do as much evil as they think they can get away with. Too many people with better things to do with their fucking time than keep a felon pedophile rapist wannabe-Mussolini conman out of office, I guess. Glad you got all the better things done though, with your fucking time.