Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race
Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race
"Owner of surveillance apparatus reckons we should all just chill and accept total surveillance"
This fucking dude.
Like seriously, in what reality are these two things NOT mutually exclusive? Also doesn't palantir have contracts with China?
I'd rather be a free and open society than win any kind of industrial race.
China WILL win the AI race and that’s because they invested in infrastructure and their power grid.
The US could have done that too, but we gave the money to billionaires instead. Building a surveillance state doesn’t fix any of the mistakes we made and they’ll still win the AI race.
Not to sound like a tankie but China has made smarter decisions with regard to power generation. The current shift away from renewables (and shift back to fossil fuel) AND more reliance on central power generation are great for billionaires but just dumb for every other reason. And with the what appears to be advancing in battery technology more distributed solar cells with local storage would free up more power for the power hungry data centers. Not to mention the AI programs there are not run by douchebags like Sam Altman and Mustafa Suleyman.
I also think the current path of AGI study via more advanced LLM research is the wrong path. A language generator is never going to be “smart”. But what do I know, I don’t have billions of dollars and lie constantly.
It's not Tankie to admit aspects of reality. China is doing some things well. China has spent the last 20 years investing in itself, America has spent the last 20 years investing in other countries for a possible ROI for the military-industrial complex.
What would be Tankie would be to then extrapolate from that and say they're actually the best state in the world and anyone who says otherwise is a imperialist brainwashed pigdog.
So we need to start covert anti-corruption efforts n China, since China will win, we don't want a single party member destroying the world...I don't know what we can actually do, but it is crucial for the human race that China develops more benevolent values if at all possible.
Both CCP and US Republicans are evil, but republicans are also stupid.
Evil would obviously win against Evil+Stupid
Not that. Because their IP and copyright and patent laws are softer, and also more bendable. In practice those laws don't matter much.
Now "AI", surveillance and such are ways to bypass those stricter laws on IP in the west. Technologies exist in some socioeconomic context. A big company doing surveillance and "AI" breaking those laws doesn't expose that it breaks those laws often, and when it does, it can sustain pressure to get its way.
So the appeal of these technologies is to launder data. Which is, fundamentally, same as perfect obfuscation of executable code. And other such things.
That's money against right, money wants no reverse engineering, no alternative compatible software, no examination of what their stuff does, and no responsibility for the data used. While in right, of course, examination and compatible tools being possible and verifiable supply chain and so on are basic for industrial civilization.
"A surveillance state is needed to beat china who is evil because it's a surveillance state"
The difference between developed world democracies and other governments is that all opposition parties are allied with CIA and by transposition, Israel. Divisiveness purely to achieve maximum corruption is formula for rulership, and praising "freedom supremacy" is just a tool for corrupt warmongering. The only protection from CIA overthrow is to fight their hybrid control, and disruptive terrorism, operations. Chinese government is not trying to oppress their citizens or economic pluralism. If surveillance allows unattended ebike charging, and no crime, then that is a net benefit compared to loss of making WInnie the Poo jokes.
Palantir, more than all other US tech oligarchs, is dedicated to Israel supremacy, and Israel/Palantir now embraces full Trump/MAGA platform because fascism is more pro Israel/Oligarchy than pluralism. The absurd pace of AI investment in US is entirely based on the certainty that the US govermnent/military will buy all of the datacenter time. Destroying US economy to feed tech and climate terrorist energy oligarchs.
War on China and Russia is a losing proposition for both humanity and the west. Collapse is destined because for the last 25 years, "we must bankrupt ourselves, or humanity wins" has been the bipartisan CIA/Israel mantra that no one ever challenges, and news media feeds 24/7.
All big tech is firmly allied with US empire, and all of them are very polite to MAGA/Israel, with data collection used to help it. Palantir has the software to mine it effectively. US oligarchy, Palantir/OpenAI/Oracle/Tesla has been especially desperate this week. All the money, explicitly, must be given to them or China wins. It's not even core science/technology anymore, its pure software/datacenter oligarch giveaways needed.
a surveillance megacorp says surveillance is good and needed. cartoonish evil.
Man who is the CEO of a business selling mass surveillance beyond the likes of even George Orwell's 1984 says we should run head first into a surveillance state from which he will directly profit from.
Boy I wish we as a society would stop reporting on these sociopathic vampires spouting whatever nonsense just popped into their heads
In this case we should indeed report on them because it is not much clear to the public what palantir does and they have ties and contracts with the government
The public needs public mass surveillance on CEOs and the top 1% only. They are the top threat to the world
1000% this.
They're predators, both sexually and economically, and society has let them get away with their plans for far too long.
There is that quick and funny operation that you can do using guilotine (or anything you can get your hands on if you're creative enough!) that significantly reduce the need for oversight. I agree we should put monitoring around the mass grave in case those ghouls can actually get up. It's a stretch, but better safe than sorry.
Sure but it’s looking a lot more likely that the mass graves will be for the working class
Breaking News.
Man with vested interest in selling his services, insists buying his services is the only way to save us from the evil foreign menace
If you read his book The Technological Republic, he calls for a « collectivist » ideology and the merger of corporation and state. A few historical examples to choose from would be Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia or Communist China to get an idea of his vision for America’s future.
What? The man who rivals the spying ability of many nations isnt totally on the up and up? Whuda thunkit!
...the 1984 Macintosh commercial...
Actual humans believe life without Palantir is preferable to China winning the AI race.
True
Well this Palantir the originals can stay, those that were not lost.
His head on a pike would be preferrable to both.
Legalise it plz.
I can't wait to see this guy hanging by his left nut while people take shots at him like a piñata.
its nothing more than a creation of thiel, a soulless puppet animated from various materials.
This guy needs to fuck right off.
Right off the face of the planet and into the sun.
Seriously. Can we please launch Peter Thiel into the sun?
Ahh yes. The only 2 options
Aliens (even illegal ones) are preferable to an asteroid strike, too.
Too bad they aren’t mutually exclusive.
what about illegal space aliens.
Let's put cameras in all his houses and monitor him 24/7. Maybe he'd like it though?
us winning the ai race. china winning the ai race. who gives a shit i still wont care about ai.
"First one to rid itself of its human workforce" makes the race sound less enticing.
The what race? No one has been working on AI for a while... if he means LLMs and similar generative models there's only the race to see how long it takes for the models to be so poisoned by being trained on their own slop that they no longer can produce the illusion of giving useful results (seems like the current generation is almost there, already giving diminishing results), and the race to extract as much money as possible from the economy before the first one ends and the bubble pops...
No one has been working on AI for a while...
It's rage bait.. Or the guy is an ego centric arrogant who thinks the reality is in his 15 headlines a day.
....what?
LLMs are AI. What is this?
I am asking seriously. Can someone explain the context of this nonsense?
Are we really entering a luddite phase again?
Doesnt matter if we take LLMs out of the equations. AI is being worked on in many forms constantly.
Palantir is an example, which makes the statement laughable.
No they're not. They're fancy autocomplete. Statistics engines. Extremely more expensive but not particularly more capable Markov chains.
Them being marketed as AI doesn't make them AI, it just makes them a scam.
Technically, LLMs aren't ai. What they do is basically predict relationship between words. They can't reason or count or learn.
Hell no
Let me second that... Oh hell, no
I bet you'd be able to get a great grip on his hair as you wind up with the other hand for that oh-so-punchable face.
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False dichotomy.
You're not going to beat the Chinese government by being worse than them. You beat them by helping the Chinese figure out the Chinese Government is bad. By being worse than them you just set yourself up to be destroyed the same way they will be.
It’s not possible because China censors all the information online that may lead to any mass actions. The Great Chinese Firewall is real and works wonders against foreign interference while China can keep interfering in other countries’ affairs with little to no pushback because of the freedom of speech
It's not just possible but inevitable, and the more oppressive they are the sooner it will come.
I am sure people used to think the USSR would last forever, too. After all, how could people rise up when every free thinker was being worked to death in a Gulag?
Enumerate the ways the Chinese government is worse than the US government. Take the plank out of your eye before complaining about the spec in theirs.
You don't get it, surveillance is fine when a private company is hired by the government to do it. /s
Never forget PRISM.
Two things can be bad at the same time.
I literally cannot think of a single way that it is better.
Its an ethnostate committing genocides in its own soil, a religious theocracy that destroys ancient temples, an aggressive expansionist military state with constant highly funded and organized propoganda, it bullies and destroys ships fo being close to their favorite spots in the wide ocean, and a single party with president for life dictatorship. They've got a massive and increasing homeless population because the government gets to decide where they "live". They do pretty good on pollutions per capita but now they're trying to grow their capita again. The use financial coercion and manipulate markets at every opportunity even going so far as to mass produce products at a loss in order to push others out of markets. The fund fucking Iran and the Taliban to wage proxy war, and are as active in South America as the CIA ever was.
And thats only the recent shit they've done, the same party has been in power since Mao fucking Zedong was starving tens of millions of people for literally no reason.
And, you can even blame the current turn for the worst that the USA is going through on them because they explicitly endorsed Trump and spread promotion of him through TikTok in a bid to save their psyop from being banned.
i wish i could palantir my nuts on his face
Can somebody please hack this guys socials and leak all his private info so we see him eat his words?
Ask AI to do it
Fuckin lunatics.
Fuckin lunatics with money, power and agenda.
If you've never seen this guy giving a talk, it's worth looking at. This guy is a total tweeker. Can't sit still, and has insane thoughts he's just willing to say in public.
What's crazy is I agree with some of what he says, but disagree entirely with his company.
Basically, he says the Antichrist promises security in exchange for giving up your freedom. However, his company does exactly that, it promises security in exchange for taking away freedom from the people. So at best he's a hypocrite and at worst an accelerationist.
I agree that people are willing to trade freedom for security, but I disagree that's what governments should do. Governments need to protect freedoms first, and security second.
Oh! This must be the guy who was called out on that exact thing and it gave him serious pause before he was able to jump-start the bullsh-tting part of his brain.
How would a surveillance state even prevent that?
If you beat them at it, they can't do it themselves! Duh! Oh, wait.
This is Bubble-101. Before the thing exists, imagine the future...
threatening that another country will get there first combined with pure players like Nvidia, the uncertainty of whether or not it could be a good investment and being able to convince governments and investors to pump money into it.
If AGI ever becomes what they are promising, everything after 2022 should be a case study for marketing and communications students because they are doing a piss-poor job inspiring confidence and just sound like grifters.
I'm feeling really bad about this. I'm an avid global index fund investor (if I can even call myself that by the sums I put in) but seeing this shit unfold...I haven't put anything in this month and I'll be looking to invest in bonds or something.
Putting my money into funds that are even partially invested into this suddenly looks really, really unsafe, even if these funds are generally really good long term.
Any ways to actively help China win the AI race?
Hypothetically, of course.
Other countries are doing it to themselves, no need to do anything explicitly.
I mean, look at the shit hole that is the U.S. now. They are u doing themselves just fine and giving victories to their adversaries.
We are going in that direction. Data centers being built all over the place is the very foundation for tracking every human on the planet.
I think future generations will not have any ability to go online, shop, work or live without a real id tracking everything about them.
You voice your concerns about something unpopular online, you may be blocked from taking a loan or work a job. Fear of stating your true opinion will be everywhere.
It won't even be obvious to you it happened or what may have caused it. Some AI algorithm determines you are an un-citizen and checks a box. Rejections keep coming back as you slowly fall down the social ladder, or not so slowly at all, until you become the invisible poor and disappear altogether.
Yeah it will just be talking to an AI and getting automatic rejections of any complaints or concerns. Pretty much like trying to reach a person at Google today, but worse.
If people dont put their foot down and start saying no to these data centers, it will be too late.
I listen to this guy on YouTube, just a normal retired it worker that makes good videos about life. Today he posted about a data center and how the community worked together to stop it:
All of the US colonies, implementing age id verification for everything is to ensure direct control of any dissidents to US empire/oligarchist supremacy.
At least I'm stateless! So, I'm not in their database. Though they'll probably would've already deported me at this rate if my skin color wasn't white. That and I don't even have social media at all that can get me arrested or barred from a job which is already happening in real life in this hell hole of a world.
Honestly we are already in the surveillance state as well. Ring cameras are connected to Flock. There are also cheap Flock cameras popping up everywhere with solar panels that almost no one ever wanted or voted for as well. People are already getting arrested for crimes they didn't commit and even instantly arrested for just having a smartphone with Google Maps (BTW this goes for any shitty android device running Google Play services even with third party Maps applications) near a crime scene. Remember America is the country that arrests you first and asks questions later.
If you wanna truly get out of the system. Go to some private property you'll never get the chance to own and live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. With a bunch of movies and tvs shows and games and music and podcasts. Become self reliant on nature and live off the grid. If you need groceries don't take a smartphone. But rather use dedicated devices for everything like a physical GPS and an MP3 player for like background noise or something to that affair. Bring a feature phone and curtail saying anything illegal over SMS and VOLTE which is unencrypted. Save that shit for like the people on session who you talk to and avoid messaging apps that want your phone number.
You know become a Tech Linux Youtuber. But like not a facist and not a Youtuber. Or the average 4chan /g/ guy they want to be on that website. Remember to also wear your tinfoil hat and that you also cannot stop the burgeoisie from stomping on your face forever. You still need to work and pay property taxes at least! Lest you have the government come check up on you and shoot up where you live and bomb your house which is also something we do here in America especially to paranoid types. Private property is a lie and you never owned anything as well.
Some stupid ass logic
Look at this unfuckable loser. He's like if someone glued Steve Bannon's pubes to Steven Miller's head. "Let us destroy all freedom in the USA so China doesn't win the race to economically out-compete the USA" is as bullshit a justification as there has ever been for anything in the history of everything.
The whole reason China winning would be bad is because of their surveillance state ensuring no one gets around their curtailment of civil liberties...
China has higher government approval rates than any western country. The whole "Chinese surveillance state" myth stems from western media propaganda. Go ask a Chinese person about the dreaded "social credit score" system and they literally don't know what it is, it's just western lies. The west has literal journalist prisoners like Assange, the UK is enjailing people for supporting Palestine, and heroes like Snowden had to migrate to other countries due to political persecution for revealing the depth of the western surveillance state. It's all projection with China.
i know real Chinese people who left china because of how bad it is there, not because of socialism, but because of the government surveillance and how they treat people.
The culpability and misdirection of western states is not evidence for the innocence of China or anyone else.
Can you tell me what notable event happened in China on June 3, 1989?
You can see the surveillance and self censorship by spending any amount of time on a Chinese app like Red Note.
China has higher government approval rates than any western country
This is how we know you are arguing in bad faith. Surface level analysis...
This guy is the maker of surveillance states.
I mean, from his perspective, having nothing to lose (besides his soul, ofc, but that's for silly people 🙄), of course!
You think the Palantir CEO has a soul? You gaze into that orb once and it's game over
Of course he does. But false dichotomy aside, China has a good chance "winning the AI race" anyway. Given their existing work, the investment they're doing in higher education, the additional internationally trained talent they get every year, and the industrial base that lets them make cheap energy and hardware, I think at the very least China has a decent chance to create equivalent tools at a lower price than whatever the US AI industry creates. If they come out with a competitive hardware and sell it at lower margins, along with free models as they already offer... I think a lot of firms and governments would opt for that instead of paying for NVIDIA and OpenAI.
No it's not
If any of you dumb fucks don't think we already live in a surveillance state, you are part of the problem
The biggest conspiracy theory of my lifetime was the government was intercepting all communication and it was proven completely true.
Not MY Surveillance! YOUR Surveillance!
-Palantir CEO!
Spoken like a true surveillance-state shill.
anything is preferable to people like you
Every day that goes by I better understand what Ted Kaczynski saw.
what an absolute piece of human turd. most likely stinks like shit around him, every time he opens his mouth.
CEOs are getting too comfortable again. One needs to be pew-pewed in the streets to thin the herd and guarantee next year's harvest!
These things are completely orthogonal.
You make Karp sad. Why won't you buy his profit-driven narrative?
Those are the only two options???
Alex Karp thinks people only care about one kind of surveillance. And he thinks he will alleviate our fears if he gives us a pinky promise not to surveil us in that one way.
That way is cheating.
He later brings this up again, saying that most surveillance technology isn’t determining, “Am I shagging too many people on the side and lying to my partner?” Your guess is as good as any as to what that’s all about.
Well, thanks for clearing that up, Alex. That was indeed my sole concern.
(The rest of the article is full of indecipherable quotes from Alex, which demonstrates you don't need to be smart to be rich.)
seems like less of a threat than US bases surveillance/MOSSAD assisted tech.
Eh, no.
What an absolute cunt
I think billionaires swinging at the gallows is better than Palantir existing.
It may be even better than sliced bread.
or when they dont have a "good head" on thier shoulders.
Hot take from Tech Bro Bevis
"now if you just sign here to buy our Stasi-Bot..."
Why can't we win the AI race and still not have a surveillance state? Those don't seem like they have to be linked...
Because this would be bad for his business
because the government subdidizes the company that would have the survellience tech, which is stable profit.
AI race to the bottom. Ever thought of asking the people instead?
Wow, they really are just gonna make you kill them eh, for like, no good reason.
The Singularity Trap by Dennis E. Taylor (2018) The book defines a sci-fi universe where humanity must escape from an overwhelming AI entity. The solution, as demonstrated by the main character, is to be turned into a machine using nanomachines, yet somehow retain one's humanity. When I raised the issue of this kind of story's inherent paradox and flawed logic—where the solution to saving humanity from an AI entity seeking to destroy all natural biological life is to turn into machines—people responded that they still enjoyed the narrative. Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot's stament gathered widespread support.
I hope he puts some camaras near his house. Then we'll all know where he is at all times.
How do you win this race? By having the most capable unsustainable LLM? Not sure if I care...
Palantir CEO will be among the first to be lined up against the wall when the revolution comes.
It's funny how many governments are getting surveillance wrong. Mass surveillance and aggregating the data with other social network databases is where the danger is at. Personal surveillance is right up there with recording authorities abusing their power and protecting your home. Ironically, the reverse is happening. The same governments where laws like GDPR criminalize personal surveillance also sign up for palantir's services and mass surveillance systems as they allow companies to no longer give a shit on their websites about the GDPR and effectively allow them to collect all the personal data GDPR was supposed to protect. People shouldn't be so keen to disseminate public videos onto social networks, but they should definitely be allowed to record and submit them to the authorities or to the courts if necessary.
"When did Saruman the white abandon reason for madness"
Not recommending anything, but; with all the guns Americans have, its pretty wild that such people is still here. Apparently, schools are an easier target..
Why would being just like China, be worse?
False dichotomy, much?
Crazy fucks do that sometimes. I wonder why people still listen to them.