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It happens to the best of us, we're slowly dying all our lives and it's the only certainty in existence; that we'll all eventually perish.

Kind of a downer.

If souls aren't real, it makes our existence even stranger. Like two people rawdog one time and now there's this conscious sentient being with hopes and desires and depression. That needs food water and shelter for 80 years

Also why is our existence so dystopian, we have untold wonders available to us and nearly free food, but it's like the constant ability to compare what we have with others makes us crazy. We've been granted nearly global telepathy and it makes us all go mad

Choosing not to reproduce because it's unethical to force more humans to live as indentured slaves under capitalism on this dying hellworld.... is basically the opposite of fascism?

That you also consider antinatalism cringe though makes me think you either just don't understand what any of these words mean, or that you're an Overton centrist who's just one little push away from becoming/owning a trad wife and feeding your offspring into the meat grinder to make billionaires happy.

I'm confused. Please bear with me here...

I've resonated with antinatalism in the past and hadn't clicked on to the deeper resentment underneath it, but I can see how it's cringe.

If only ever seen it as a personal choice however, so couldn't see the fascist angle. Do people really use it as a guise for eugenics? That's proper mental! (and probably racism, etc)

There's various reasons for antinatalism IMO, and the two biggest ones are because people think they cannot (and never will be able to) afford children, and also because they recognize the suffering the children would go through.

Like, realistically, your children inherit a lot of your traits, and if you're suffering in this world, what reason is there to believe that it will be different for your (hypothetical) children?

And also having children is vastly expensive. It costs $100K dollars upwards just to raise them to puberty, and that's optimistic estimates assuming no future inflation. And then there is the whole uncertainty of the future labor market. So, would you rather spend that money to bring another suffering being into this world, or would you rather say "fuck it" and enjoy your own time on this planet instead?

• Emotionally-founded movement masquerading as ethically-founded
• Driven primarily by resentment
• Distinctly Malthusian
• Condemns a fundamental process of biological life
• Primarily advocates abandoning the world before improving it
• Adherents frequently direct their anger at mostly non-political actors

Yeah it's disturbing that you're getting so many downvotes simply for being bold in your stance here. I mean I do understand why... There are strong and often unexamined emotions at play here. But it's still disturbing. Antinatalism isn't eugenics but it sits right next to eugenics in a logical process. It's positions on ecology and it's emotional social resentment place it on a pipeline to fascism.