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And this, people, is why we should extensively teach fascist and colonialist history. Bet >90% of Americans don't know this. Many don't seem to have an issue with Stephen Miller's Nazi rhetoric, or Trump speeches often suspiciously sounding like the ones from a certain Austrian painter. They simply don't recognise simple patterns like this.
I don't think the author is at fault at all. I would rather ask their educators about what the fuck they were doing that this person doesn't know these words.
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In defense of the author and their education... They're Brazilian so English probably isn't their native language, and their history education was almost certainly in Portuguese. I don't think it's necessarily an indictment of their education that they weren't taught about the English translation of a German phrase, and I don't think it's reasonable to apply the same standards of subtext awareness to native and non-native speakers either.
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I also don't think it makes sense that people who haven't even taken history as a major, need to be taught each and every phrase that was used by a fanatic group.
A lot of these words, phrases and symbols tend to be taken from stuff that meant well in the past or even now. See swastika, svaha^[which I am not sure of the Nazi reference, but it was being chanted by people being portrayed as Nazis in a game].
Just knowing those terms, while might help prevent them from being used in accidental cases, is not as important as being able to recognise the pattern of peoples' actual actions.
Because a group that has copied stuff from other traditions, can always do that again with other sources, to replace that stuff.It's important that out of history, we make sure to identify the part that we actually need to be against, which is the specific actions that cause grief back then, instead of just picking each and every unrelated thing, which any new group can simply replace, while also getting to keep the original grievous actions.
This is also to prevent us from getting our willpower drained from always getting outraged by multiple instances of minor similarities that are much more probable to be a false +ive, to have the power to push back when we find the actual problem creators.-
Which game may I ask? Was it in an occult setting? If yes then it was likely just a generic chant and has no fascist connotations beyond it. If not then I will have to see the scene in the game to dive deeper.
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Metro: Last Light
It was some scene where the player find a Nazi-esque (I don't remember the exact faction name) hideout and watches a speech in progress.
The crowd listening to the speech was chanting "Swaha x3" after every line of the speaker, kinda like "Oorah".
He was probably hiding behind walls or inside some duct or sth after having escaped some torture chamber. Don't remember that very well either.
Also, it might have been something different but similar sounding. But seemed pretty close, to me.-
Oh okay. Yeah they are just kinda going “hooah.” Svaha is a generic eastern occultist topic brought up every once in a while but has no fascist meaning beyong occultism. Metro Last Light is a Russian setting so the chanting is more muddled through the accent and translation.
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If I remember correctly, it actually sounds like "Su-Aha", which would be a valid way to break down "Svaha" in Sanskrit.
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What's the word for Endlösung in portuguese and how does it translate into English?
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The term used is "Solução final", and it's a pretty literal translation. It's absolutely possible to make the connection between the terms, but it does require bot ha somewhat in-depth education on the Holocaust and some linguistic sense. Now it's entirely possible that LGFaé's history teachers really dropped the ball on the first part, but it's not clear to me that this is what must've happened here.
Speaking for myself I would be embarrassed but not especially surprised if some phrase that I use frequently has a similarly unfortunate meaning, especially regarding an African or Asian genocide. As bad as all genocides are, you just can't be well educated on all of them, especially with just a regular K-12/A-level/equivalent history education which also has to do things like teaching people how to read (something most of the world is currently failing at).
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Hm maybe I'm just surprised because I'm German and we are experts on genocide.
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To take this a step further, wolf-whistles (neo-Nazi dog-whistles) are often intentionally vague, and spotting them is important in recognizing cryptofascists because they will try and claim plausible deniability, "oh leftists call everyone a nazi" is something open nazis say to downplay themselves to other reactionaries. They know that their beliefs are still unspeakably disgusting to most societies, they tend to disguise it, downplay it and rationalize it.
[1]Sometimes it's language and phrases itself, you can often see cryptofascists use the same phrases, euphemisms or odd terms as famous fascist speeches or texts, whether as an intentional subtle allusion or just unwittingly echoing what they've read. And that's where they'll chuck in terms like "Final solution" in memes.
Other times, it's more direct coded language and symbols. It's probably less unknown these days, but some common examples of codes are the sonnenrad 'Black Sun' symbol, Nazi-era pseudo-runes (not to be confused with legitimate historical Germanic runes!), the numbers 14 and 88, and more.
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Other times, it’s more direct coded language and symbols. It’s probably less unknown these days, but some common examples of codes are the sonnenrad ‘Black Sun’ symbol, Nazi-era pseudo-runes (not to be confused with legitimate historical Germanic runes!), the numbers 14 and 88, and more.
I know someone who used 88 in a username on accident, not knowing how cryptonazis use it. He found out because he got called out for it and asked to explain. After finding out what 88 can mean, he changed his username because he didn't want to be mistaken as a nazi. TBF, his initial reaction was "wtf, why would someone suggest I'm a nazi and want to ban me because I have some numbers at the end of my name?" I think some people take it for granted that others are aware of these things.
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Also, 1988 was a year that existed.
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It sucks that they take otherwise normal things and ruin them.
Is it safe to use the OK hand signal again?-
Yep. Although...
Is it safe to use the OK hand signal again?
Words and symbols cannot be divorced from context. Like @SineSwiper@discuss.tchncs.de hinted at, putting a date of birth in a username is common and there are so many other meanings for these numbers so it would be ridiculous to jump down someone's throat for simply using them, or using common gestures. Unless that friend in the story was also saying some reactionary things in their comments, I think it's silly and careless that someone challenged them on their name.
I been told by some international friends that one of the political flags over in Australia, the Eureka flag, has a similar situation where both trade unions and white nationalists try to claim its legacy, so it's common to see in both the pro and anti immigration rallies. Context is what makes it either a potential nationalist/racist dogwhistle or a symbol of workers' rights.
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cryptofascists
I saw this phrase and knew immediately it was pulled from Disco Elysium.
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That's just coincidence, I've been using the term for a long time. It's not new.
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Bet >90% of Americans don't know this.
Considering that pcmr (PC Master Race) is now an acceptable term on reddit and now elsewhere, I'd say you were right.
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When that whole thing started up Nazis seemed a lot less "real" imo
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Exactly. Luckily, back in high school, my IB History class spent a good couple months just learning about authoritarian rulers and their tactics.
I especially like pulling out Pinochet because he’s a clear and relatively recent example of right wing authoritarianism, manipulation of existing religious structures, and US government support of authoritarian regimes that help contextualize its trend towards authoritarianism.
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I don't know that I agree with that. Nazis suck, but just because they are trending at the moment doesn't seem like a great reason to spend time dwelling in their ideology. Lots of people have done lots of ghastly things and you can't unknow some of them. And now they live rent free in your head on the off chance someone's words collide with an old phrase.
I don't have a great answer, but I would have been happier if we taught people to recognize what fascism actually is and how to stop it rather than focusing on the icons and word choice of one set of awful people.
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Tangential: Recently, I was talking with a friend of how in Colombia, schools don't teach much of recent events of Colombian history (Colombia has been in a pseudo-civil war for almost 80 years), but we learn A LOT about WWII, Vietnam war, Korean war, cold war, etc.
Given that the Goverment has done extremely nasty things in these decades, I'm somewhat convinced this is intentional.
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schools don't teach much of recent (say, last 100 years) events
but we learn A LOT about WWII, Vietnam war, Korean war, cold war, etc.
I'm so confused
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We don't learn much about recent events of Colombian history, but a lot of international history.
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Ah, thanks!
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