Why do each gaming fraction (pc, consoles, mobile) hating each other?
There are endless discussion on the internet why pc gaming is superior than consoles and vice versa.
I don't understand that there is a necessity to prove that one is better than the. Just play your game and let other gamers enjoy their game too.
Why I hate console gaming: The limitations of consoles regarding the graphics and available buttons carry over to PC. Weapon wheels are a good example of that. Especially around the 2010s, when consoles were in the focus of the publishers, PC versions often felt like badly ported console games, including graphical and gameplay downgrades that weren't necessary at all.
Why I hate mobile gaming: Microtransactions and the manipulation of the player that comes with them. They slowly crept into so many games. Sure, mobile gaming didn't invent them, but it perfected them. Now even 70€ titles have a cosmetics store and a season pass on day one.
Why I hate PC gaming: The elitism, how awfully expensive building a PC got and the worst one: Cheaters. Cheaters that not only destroy the fun of other PC players, but of console players too with the advent of cross-platform multiplayer. It shames me that console players automatically turn off cross-platform, because they are afraid of PC cheaters.
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Because they ARE bad console ports. Because console versions sell more, because they don't know any better, because consoles have a lower barrier to entry, because they're cheaper, and that means that your demographic STAYS that age, because as babies are born and become old enough to play they get consoles, so investment firms can make the same stuff and make a fuck ton of money.
PC players are old, more experienced, and generally DO know better, so garbage butt shit doesn't sell as well as it does on consoles.
It's not a jealousy issue, it's one of disappointment and frustration.
We can't change the landscape without education. This is true even for politics.
Unfortunately, change is hard and stupid people breed, and hate and destruction is easier than understanding and construction.
Pc players are so fucking desperate for good things, and the console and mobile market prevents anything good from ever happening by being terrible role models for business.
Because PC is better than console.
Because PC is better than console.
This is exactly why there’s animosity.
I prefer console because: it just works. Devs don’t need to address bugs related to hardware, and they can tune their games for the performance of the console.
I don’t have a lot of free time so knowing it will work within seconds of hitting the power button is worth it to me.
I used to PC game, and still do for a few that are better with a mouse/keyboard.
I don’t hate on anyone that prefers a different gaming system.
Depends on your needs. For my needs, PC is better.
I see what you mean. Everyone's needs are different. But PC is better, of course
To a point. There's just a bit of an entry gap when it comes to PC. If you have the money to build a PC that will last you years and can run just about 95% of all games released to the point of you having built the machine to entire backlogs of previous generations of games that were released on console. You won't be disappointed. The amount of those games is staggering and it can all be done with one PC as opposed to having to buy a console that's already pricey, then having to buy the actual games which have gotten even pricier on their own.
I dont hate consoles. I just know that PC is an objectively superior platform. More power, more freedom.
I do hate mobile, tho. Because it is 99% bullshit skinner boxes, shovelware and scams.
And don't forget that, while PC hardware might be more expensive (on the other hand you can build a superior PC at the cost of a console), games are way cheaper in the long run with countless sales on PC. I accept that everybody likes what they like. But PC games used to drive technological development, which consoles slowed down. And I hate that.
Humans are tribal creatures
And we have a hard time understanding others' perspectives, which I think is also a big factor here.
This is the real answer, most people don't care but they like banding together and having someone else be the "other group"
I don't speak for others but i personally hate consoles because of their walled garden approach to games, proprietary and anti-repair design, and for paywalling access to multiplayer.
Maybe a mix of tribalism and sunk-cost fallacy. People want to feel like the made the right choice regarding platform, while justifying the money they put in a probably closed ecosystem.
Consoles have been brand tribalistic since forever, probably because of marketing, and that it used to be mostly kids. Insufferable computer users felt superior because with money and effort you could a PC could run games better than consoles.
Most of the fighting has ended now, which is nice. Mobile gaming was and is looked down because of its reputation as a shovelware platform.
That's the real deal, right here.
The SNES vs. Genesis war from the 1990s never really ended. The banners being flown have changed over the years but the battles are pretty much the same. Me personally, what with having the luxury of being a perfectly responsible fully grown adult — that's what it says on my driver's license, anyway — I have at least one example of pretty much every console from the Atari VCS up to the PS3.
My beef with consoles now is that they're all, with the exception of the Switch and its sequel, just watered down PC hardware anyway. That's really not interesting, and I already have a PC. And by and large my PC plays what I tell it to, not what Sony and Microsoft and for fuck's sake not what Nintendo try to dictate at me. Thus, for modern games I play on PC.
As far as insufferable computer users go, that all started with Doom. Doom was the killer app of the 90s and every console maker at the time either wished theirs could run Doom but it couldn't, or barely managed it and the experience was dogshit. Before that, it was the opposite: PC games and their developers fervently wished they could match the capabilities of the game consoles of their era, which all had specialized hardware specifically designed for the types of things games from that time did. It's probably no coincidence that id software's formative outing started with John Carmack and Tom Hall's Dangerous Dave In Copyright Infringement, which as dumb as it sounds was genuinely showing off at the time in that they managed to make a bog standard PC pull off a platformer with smooth(ish) scrolling, which is something the NES can do in its sleep.
Exactly, even the whole "pc master race" thing is ironic; now, about the tribalism inside the pc crowd...
They don’t. It’s all marketing
I think it was more prevalent when there were "console wars" i.e., fans of Xbox, Playstation, or Nintendo would shout at the other two about how great their system and games were. Some of it was probably marketing, some of it was overly excited and fanatical people making arguments for a thing they like. Generally, PC gamers get to enjoy a little bit of everything, from PC ports to emulators to their own exclusive swathes of games, but the label of "PC Gamer" feels marred by the idiots over at r/pcmasterrace.
Nowadays I'd be very surprised to see this bickering, considering how cross-platform everything is now. Playstation games are on PC, Xbox games are coming to Playstation. Nintendo is... well, Nintendo.
Yeah, its interesting that OP is just now asking about this when it seems like the console wars have died down entirely
I'm a PC gamer that hates console gaming for good reasons.
First, what are the important differences between PC gaming and console gaming?
Because of this, console games have become the "lowest common denominator" of video games. If you're a developer, you target the console and then port to PC. Games are dumbed down, slowed down, and graphically reduced for the console audience and then PC gamers are invited to slurp from the same trough. Modern console gaming has brought us such innovations as quicktime events (playing simon-says with buttons is not gameplay), weapon wheels (not the worst thing tbh), and exclusive deals (paying the dev to NOT release on other platforms). The keyboard and mouse is really a superior way of controlling a game. You have more buttons that you can hit quickly and aiming with a mouse is quicker and more precise. A game like Starcraft might never have been made if consoles were as powerful and popular back then. There actually was a SNES port of Starcraft and people literally only play it as a joke, the controls are too clunky.
In conclusion, I hate console gaming because it made my PC gaming worse. Worse menus, worse controls, worse graphics, less creative freedom, worse gameplay. I should also mention that most of my criticisms are for shooter games. Platformers on consoles are great fun and get ported to PC mostly without these issues.
This is often the other way round nowadays though. It definitely used to be the case during the 360 era. But now loads of games use a mouse like cursor in games, even on console. And sometimes if it's not like that the UI still looks mouse driven looking like it expects you to click on buttons but instead that have added a PNG of the button you need to press slightly over the UI button. It's awful.
It all happened starting with the xbox 360, the ps3, and the 2008 recession.
Everything always seems to come back to late stage capitalism and greed.
Because the other two are stupid! Am I right fellow true gamers?! You know who you are
Any hobby that costs money will have factions. Camera gear has your Sony vs Nikon vs Canon, you have Android vs Apple for mobile phones, etc. The more money you spend, the more you speak out against other choices. As evidenced by this post, PC parts cost a lot of money...
I was gonna wax philosophical about the three factions but omg this comment just perfectly encapsulates it for every hobby.
Be it Serum vs Omnisphere, Gibson vs Fender, etc… it’s all in the money.
With guitars, lately it's been about made in the US/Japan/Europe vs Made in Mexico/China/Korea, or digital vs solid-state vs tubes, but essentially the same. Everyone's being marketed to, and it doesn't matter which you choose, you will end up spending just as much money. Best thing to do is get the gear you like, and spend time with said gear(/get off the net and marketplace). Not different from gaming.
People like to support their choices. It's not a ton different than sports. There have been periods where console and PC have had the advantage over the years, but it's now become more of a choice of what you want your computer to look like. Mobile is generally universally hated because of the effects it had on the industry as a whole by accelerating the rise of micro transactions and loot boxes to an industry standard.
Let me tell you about the new great domain of gaming. Linux! If you are not a linux exclusive gamer; you're a noob and you should feel bad!
Why are you not downloading linux right now? I'm being helpful and giving you my valuable experience. It is frustrating that you are not hearing me. You must be a fool and must be made an example off, so that all the others will see that the error of your ways.
Something like that.
Same question can be applied to sports, religion, politics, cars, trucks, brands in general, etc. so many things are if I don’t support it I hate it and must tell everyone.
It’s mostly kids. The typical playground arguments like ”my dad is stronger than your dad”.
And adults who refuse to grow up.
And adults who refuse to grow up.
Apparently Lemmy is full of them. I was expecting some more level headed responses here, but nope.
Empathy exists in humans on a spectrum. Different people have different priorities. Accepting these 2 truths explains a lot of human behavior and history.
At some level, it’s because each platform costs a lot of money. If a game is not available for your platform, it’s super expensive to get another platform. So other platforms having fun games your platform doesn’t can mean losing out— either you won’t get to experience the game, or you’re going to have to shell out, and either way hurts. Thus, it is actively in your best interest if the other platforms fail, thus encouraging devs to spend more effort on your chosen platform.
I'm perfectly content to let console player enjoy their games, just PC games feel so much easier to control for me, especially with the fine control the mouse offers. Although I do appreciate the vibration handhelds can have, mice can have it too, but it's not as good. PC keyboards also have lots more buttons that you can map to functions, meaning more things can be accessible with one click.
Basically: elitism.
Consoles have something called "exclusive games", which are nothing more than what a blogger I read calls "Hostageware". You can play hostageware on PC through emulators.
Each made a financial decision at one point and we don't want to admit we fucked it up. That is my guess.
There are endless discussion on the internet why pc gaming is superior than consoles
It is objectively. It's the only platform which fully supports modding (and historically the only one that supported it at all) with sideloading (not through stores provided by the game dev). Modding is huge for the longevity of a game. At least in my experience, PC games tend to have more settings to customize your experience. You can install external tooling like Reshade and others. If you buy on GOG, you actually own your games. There are some games that just aren't suited to consoles, like RTS, while I can't think of any genre that works badly on PC. You also get to choose where you buy games.
That said. Consoles exist for a reason. They're ready-made systems that can play games designed for it without a hassle. You only have to worry about upgrading when a new console comes out, and you always know whether a new game will run on your console. You don't have to worry about stuff like driver updates either.
I think objectively speaking, PC is clearly better for gaming than console. BUT subjectively it's a different story. Most people would probably prefer consoles due to them being more accessible.
Just play your game and let other gamers enjoy their game too.
This is most important imo. At the end of the day, subjective enjoyment is what matters most, so that's where the comparison should go. And imo there's not much of a winner there, there's good and bad traits for either, and there's going to be different people preferring either.
In order to maintain power, the bourgeoisie tricks the proletariat into fighting each other instead of their masters.
I hate Consoles because of multiplayer paywalls and lack of crossplay on other platforms as well as locked down software
I hate mobile games because most are but t extort the user of their money with pay to win and gambling and there is generally the hardware limitations of phones and sometimes software limitations or locked down software
PC Gaming is better because you can build a system that meets your needs, upgrade it and swap out hardware along with being able to install ant operating system you want or even dual boot more than one operating system
I do kind of also dislike gaming laptops because you can only upgrade the ram in them, if you want a gaming laptop go with a framework ganing laptop as they have swappable parts excluding the cpu because the cpu is still soldered on because of cpu manufacturers though you can swap the main board
The debates have gone on for years obviously, but I do have a legitimate issue with modern games regarding consoles. With the introduction of crossplay, PC players are no longer on an even playing field (well, as even as it could be with drastic performance differences). Now, it can be really hard to tell the difference between a cheater and someone who is receiving a lot of assistance from aim assist.
I don't think console players should suddenly be told they can't have aim assist when playing with pc players, but it's a delicate balance for developers and I don't think any of them have really gotten it right. I stopped playing apex legends some time ago because the controller players had become so dominant in the higher ranks. It felt like I was at a disadvantage because the game wasn't offering assistance for me.
It's just friendly rivalry, anyone who is experiencing actual hatred is unhinged and needs help. It's mostly just bluster. I'd say there's more animosity between fans of sports teams than gamers on different platforms.
It is all simply for bragging rights and it is by design. This is what is called 'competition' to the corporate business world and it is what keeps it healthy. However, is it really competing when just about all sides of the camps are equally being fucked with one way or another? The true winner above them all is capitalism. The more people fight against eachother to justify their alignment, the more money comes in.
Mobile gaming is barely gaming at all, it is more like, your money is what is what you're playing with than anything. There had been honest attempts before, to bring actual gaming to mobile, but with so many games being made with intent to scam, there's no point.
PC is FREEDOM and I want more free minds on Earth.
I still bought consoles too though, I'm not all that concerned. More of a "it'd be nice" kinda thing. Hate is a strong word.
As a long-time pc user, but also used to love PlayStation and Nintendo, I dislike consoles for enabling companies to make more money on less effort and being held to lower standards, accelerating the negative effects of capitalism. Basically, irresponsible consumerism and easily manipulatable tribalism. Basically, dumb fucking kids buying endless amounts of garbage and allowing investment firms to churn out even more garbage, inviting all of the greediest MBAs and passionless pieces of shit into the gaming community. Fucking EA is now owned by Saudi Arabia and Jared Kushner.
Fuck.
I don't hate consoles. I hate what has happened, and hated watching it happen in slow motion unable to do anything about it. It's STILL happening, too.
Microsoft holds a LOT of blame for this. But also other things, values, groups, and entities.
Because gamers are cringe.
I say this as a gamer myself.
There's a lot of hate for mobile games because it does seem like literally millions of folks are abused and exploited by them. Sure, there's neat gems buried in the App Store/Google Play, but... the sheer volume of literal scams is unreal.
That, I get. Screw scammers.
I got no issue with the good stuff though. Or even the mediocre stuff.
All the other snobbery is folks people being immature snobs. And the cross-brand 'rivalry' isn't so extreme anymore, anyway.