Do you think the average Lemmy user is further left than the average reddit user?
Do you think the average Lemmy user is further left than the average reddit user?
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Yes. Even putting aside what enshittification has done to the userbase in recent years, Reddit has always skewed Democrat, Fediverse skews leftist.
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Reasonable
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enshittification as in promoting more AI bots, and propaganda. consistent effort to curb the propaganda or right wing harmful comments have been met with significant resistance. yea reddit did do these regular purges to eliminate bots, but they seemed to have done less or stopped doing it altogether. instead thier purges were going after the lowest hanging fruits.
OF accounts, IRL users like us, the ones that drop links to thier businesses.
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The average reddit user is a bot
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u/WordWord_1234 Usernames are sus af fuck
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Like, if I take a single user that I consider to exemplify each? Yes, the lemming will be left, socially and economically, of the redditor.
If we take a statistical average of each? The lemmy average will be screamingly farther left of the reddit average.
If we exclude bots and take the averages of only human users of each? Farther apart than the first but not nearly as far apart as the the second.
What am I basing this on? Multiple years of modding one of the larger not-explicity-political subs and also two explicitly political subs. So, vibes, basically, but lots of them over a long time.
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Id agree. I spent around a decade on reddit and only about a month here. I think a big part of it is just the smaller user base on Lemmy. I'm personally a liberal but not a far left one. Noticing a particularly strong tilt here.
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Yes
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Yes. Like extremely
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The average Reddit user only exists on a server farm these days
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I don’t know about the average user, but the average commenter - almost definitely, yes. Making any kind of centrist or right-leaning noises here gets you mobbed instantly, so most people just don’t bother. Whether that reflects the actual majority or just a loud minority remains unclear.
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Depends on the community. There's some absolute nutters over on things like hexbear and Lemmy ML.
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Probably the latter, as with most things.
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it's usually just one or two people you offended who feel compelled to harass you based on that offense.
i've already had a couple of lemmy stalkers.
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Significantly further left. Communists and anarchists barely exist on reddit while it also has some major right wing subs. Communists and anarchists are a prominant feature of lemmy while it contains almost 0 explicitly right wing communities of significance.
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I did notice there are no conservative subs and the one labeled as such is clearly not. You're right about the communist and anarchists too.
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I think that one originally was started for conservatives, but then it got abandoned and someone asked the admins if they could have it to make it a satire sub. Also, your instance does block a fair bit of comms, including ones that are for right-wing (like communities with taglines or website names about being racist and misgendering people) or tankies.
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I did notice there are no conservative subs
They exist on Lemmy, though your home instance may be blocking them or their home instances, or you just may not have seen them.
lemmy.worldhas a fair few instances on their block list. I've had to block a few of the more egregious MAGA communities myself.Remember, Lemmy (as a network) is censorship resistant, not censorship free.
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many lemmy instances will defederate from conservative subs.
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they did but they are usually astroturfed by right wingers, and center rights. and i assume many also recieved bans because they behaved like conservatives when commenting.
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Before or after reddit started capitulating to fascists and mass bans?
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capitulated to MUSK like 2 times, which resulted in 2 massive ban waves. earlier in the year. we also know spez loves MUSk and the gop.
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Reddit is main-stream, so should be (and is) mostly centered. Lemmy is more niche and while it has some far right people, it overall leans left.
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Lemmy is more niche and ... overall leans left.
Like Reddit used to be in the good days.
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i remember reddit being full of techie libertarian bros in the 2000s. it non-authoritarian but it was pretty conservative socially. tons of fragile masculinity brogrammer types who had really warped views on women and 'the government'.
it started diversifying rapidly in the early 2010s.
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that was prior to trumps 1st term, remember the subreddit apocalypse they started banning alot of subs that were "problematic", it was just placating the GOP and trump who are obsessed with online censorhsip at a time, which was convenient distraction from thier "1st tax cuts". thats when people were getting significant amount of bans around that time. i was there when r/conspiracy wasnt even political, just your usual conspiracies that have been talked about, that doesnt involved trump, or dems.
before the anti-vax madness of covid, that sub pre-pandemic allowed you to somewhat convince people who are hesitant of vaccines.
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Right wing instances are usually quarantined(aka blocked, defederated) which doesnt exist on reddit, because they need all the divisiveness there is on reddit to drive the propaganda.
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I just got banned for 7 days from Reddit for "threatening violence" for saying the Trump administration deserves the death penalty (which is an actual thing that exists legally in the US) and that the GOP should be dissolved.
A few days ago, an AskReddit thread led me to a group where men were promoting rape and violence against women. Reddit did not ban that.
You tell me.
EDIT: Something funny from the message they sent me: "Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for threatening violence against people or animals." I wish they'd clarify whether it was people or animals that I threatened. It continues "Any communities or people that threaten violence towards an individual, group, animals, or place will be banned." Not the one where a bunch of dudes were promoting rape, though.
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Something similar happened to me like 2 - 3 days ago. I legit didn't use it for over 2 years, and then a couple of months ago someone hacked the account and made it a porn thing. I didn't want that associated to any email address that was mine, so I "re-claimed" the account, and removed all of the porn. I barely ever post on there, but I was drunk and said something along the lines of what you said in one of the leftish subreddits. I didn't get banned, but I got a warning. Fuck that. Warn my nuts.
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Funny, I saw a post on Reddit just yesterday from someone who got porn-hacked. Hackers are hornier than they used to be
Me, I wasn't drunk. I was provoked. Pretty sure that legally I'm bulletproof given the circumstance (it was a reaction to far-right ragebait being on the White House website)
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A friend of mine always says "Averages are a poor measure of a population. For example: I have more than the average number of legs for a human."
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I'd say there's a wider spectrum on reddit, if only because reddit is so much bigger. Lemmy is mostly center left while reddit goes everywhere.
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Yeah that seems to be the case. If lemmy were larger it would probably have a wider variety. When conservatives get banned on reddit I think they go to Twitter or 4chan. Whereas liberals may flock here.
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The ones I encounter certainly. I don't hang out on Reddit anymore, but I have had a glance now and again and one of the more noticable things are that my own national subreddit there are a lot of right wing/alt right viewpoints loudly touted. In the posts I encounter on lemmy, at least in the sphere I am a part of, it is much more of a leftist general vibe. I don't mind too much.
While echo chambers are not great, it is quite refreshing to have a break from the hate. Or at least have the hate directed in a way I am more comfortable with, I guess.
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Nuance has gone out of the window over on Reddit. Everything is black and white now there are no shades of grey and there's no context. Which of course is the right loves, they never like actually thinking about their world views.
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thats in alot of "location subs" they are taken over by right wingers. i avoid my blue area sub, because its the tankies of the area, or its a right winger.
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reddit suppresses leftist message, outside of center right. now it allows more astroturfing from the right through israel and russia. and were not talking about the extremes like tankies.
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Well since reddit pretends to be far right (and full of bots which is another topic but also renders reddit fake & useless), and most of us are here because Reddit was intolerant of our defiance to adhere to its right-wingedness, yeah I'd say fediverse is left. We're free people who refuse to have our free-thinking & free speech squashed.
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reddits trying to replace it with AI bots, much like facebook is right now. a hybrid child of facebook and Xitter.
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Definitely
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There’s no question.
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Depends, the average .world user is roughly equivalent to the average Reddit user. However I would say the average blahaj or db0 user is significantly further left.
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Yeah the average blahaj user believes trans rights are human rights and that's too much for some communities to handle
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Ikr, some communities really do be saying "erm akshurally we need to compromise". Mfr what? These are my basic human rights
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world is probably the ones that were on political or news subs that got banned or "astroturfed" and came to worlds to do the same.
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I actually don't think so. Or at least not directly. Because I run into a veritable slew of Hardcore neoliberals as well. I think it's less that there's more leftists and it's more that they're not censored as much here. Sure the world mods will do their best, but they can always just create new accounts in different instances. They're harder to shut down then they were on Reddit.
Course now that I say that I guess that just really means they are further left here because Reddit has moved so far to the right after expunging so many of the leftists. Potato potato.
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Obviously you meant "poe-tae-toe poe-tah-toe", but I initially just read this as "poe-tae-toe poe-tae-toe" and that was fabulous actually.
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if you turn on bots the average lemmy user is a bot
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Further weird, yes.
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Bots included?
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100%
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is "the science of biology" code speak for transphobia?
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I'll say this, when I was in college I had a particularly silly, in my mind, professor. It was a general cultural anthropology class my freshman year. The teacher spoke about a study done with babies. It had to do with how baby boys and baby girls could crawl at the same speed. But mostly about how the parents assumed the boys would do better. The case showed they crawled around the same speed and their motor skills developed at roughly the same pace. He then used that to extrapolate that women have the same physical capabilities as men. Society telling them otherwise is the only reason they aren't winning strong man competitions, competing at the same level in the Olympics, etcetera. I believe I am a liberal but I dont think any suggestion regarding biology is automatically anti trans. I think promoting ideas like that professor did are disingenuous and harmful to both sides honestly.
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Isn’t it possible to acknowledge biological sex as a fact while also recognising that gender identity is about subjective experience?
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I’m apolitical
Bud you literally want the mentally ill segregated out of society, you're not apolitical, you're a nazi.
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You could very easily poke holes in the statements he made in that post. Discuss how easily a system like that could be used in a tyrannical context. Calling him a nazi does nothing but further radicalize the fella.
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I was wondering how many comments it would take before someone was called a nazi. Turns out, 22.
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Please elaborate on
"They don't like the science of biology"
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Hey, you never told me what you thought of your newfound knowledge about solar cycles and mRNA vaccines, your post got deleted for some reason
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Hate guns? Now I know you’re just making shit up. Lemmy is like the most pro-gun website I’ve ever been on.
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My favorite quote: "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary" -Karl Marx
I don't even consider myself a "communist", but that statement is based af.
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I personally haven't seen anything supporting what your saying.
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This sounds more like you're painting over all of Lemmy with a hard-core leftist/?furry? brush. That's not necessarily what I've seen, though I've only been here a month vs over a decade on reddit. I like guns and science but do still consider myself a liberal.
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Why don't you go back to your loser website then?
You've got a lot to choose from.
Odd that you'd try to stay in a place with "extremist left".
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Yes. The average reddit user NOW is further right than the average reddit user before the start of lemmy. Different people. The most left ones are with lemmy now.
I don’t think Lemmy is large enough to have had a noticeable impact on the makeup of Reddit.
Not even some moisturiser?
I would not say that it is only lemmy. Reddit itself has changed, and that's why I think there are different people there.
Lemmy didn't but reddit marketing campaign, and new front page algorithm drew a new public. Sure they banned the totally not nazi edge lord and Trump hardcore far, but they attracted the I don't care about politic, vote for a personality but never left public too which you add the hordes of pro Russia/Israel troll/bots at the point the world news sub is unreadable
What about with rice?
When I stooped to check out the r/conservative subreddit after Kirk's murder, it amused me how many of it's denizens were bemoaning how bad 'redditors' were, as if they weren't also on reddit.
I don't go to reddit very much any more. 'Tis a silly place.
and they are also in the most exclusive echo chamber on reddit too. they tried to branch out with disengenious "both sides " subs, but i dont think it can match r/conservative and r/conspiracy, since they are the cesspools for other the banned right wing subs. i have never seen an exclusive "left leaning sub" on the site, that wasnt astroturfed by right wingers. city/states specific subs are taken over by right wingers or tankies to the specific location.(tankies as in supporting the way the govt in that city is behaviing)
because we all got banned from reddit for having controversial political views.
reddit heavily allows astroturfing and banning from the "left" more than the right.
also because they banned or astroturfed to hell. right wing propaganda is very popular for the masses, and creates content.
That's an interesting take. I would have thought that reddit trended left previously and just shifted further left over time.
I am seeing open racism more than ever on reddit.
It probably has something to do with the type of crowd that reddit promotes. More controversial takes probably get boosted more because they draw more eyes for more time. They're trying to copy Meta.
there is still some on the left, but it seems like its just for appearances by reddit, they allow enough to look fair, while they allow right wing propaganda to astroturf the comments of any subs to hell.