Lemmy decided to go soft on the wolfballs admin

lemmy.ml Update Lemmy.ml's Code of Conduct - Lemmy

Due to the recent ban of a wolfballs.com-user for “Bigotry and racism on his main account on Wolfball.” it is requested that <a href="http://Lemmy.ml">Lemmy.ml</a> updates the Code of Conduct to reflect actual moderation. Please consider adding that <a href="http://Lemmy.ml">Lemmy.ml</a> will ban us...

Some real joker shit happening in here.

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Lemmy.ml admin who banned him here: Not sure I have that much to add to the convo, but I will say I'm really disappointed at this. Still think the ban should have been upheld but the admin that reversed it outranks me so my hands are kinda tied.
- Thank you for your service 🙏
- You did your best. That's all we can ask of you.

This is fucking ridiculous.
I'm sorry but how can you be that immature and stupid?
"Oh they should be allowed to recruit bigots and engage provided they don't say anything that breaks the rules" - morons in that thread
Infantile stupidity.
- AgreeableLandscapes even gave a very clear argument (with precedent) for why the ban was justified. But I guess nutomic is in charge of liberalization
  Edit: There's even a convo on wolfballs where nutomic tells a maga chud that their ban was reversed, they shouldn't get banned again, and if they do nutomic will have another "talk" with the admins and get it reversed. What the fuck is going on over there
  
  Nutomic is clearly a moron, that much is sure. Whether they are crypto-fascist or just a sympathetic to them to try and grow lemmy is meaningless when they are now aiding in the growth or a far right instance.
  Pathetic behaviour.
  I thought you and @TheConquestOfBed@lemmy.ml both made more than clear the position only to have someone accuse conquest of being a pedophile which I noticed wasn't taken down.
  Clearly the line on lemmy is if you aren't asking for literal violence against someone it's fine to enable and encourage the vile rhetoric designed to dehumanise minorities leading to violence. Fucking peak lemmy.
  Don't even get me started on comfy and there "it's disturbingly racist to say you can't be racist to white people" nonsense ideology. That entire instance is so high on their own ego, self importance and ignorance they couldn't find their nose in the dark if I broke it for them.
  
  There’s even a convo on wolfballs where nutomic tells a maga chud that their ban was reversed, they shouldn’t get banned again, and if they do nutomic will have another “talk” with the admins and get it reversed. What the fuck is going on over there
  Could we get a screenshot for the record?
- I KNOW, RIGHT?????
  Fuckin UwU I'm a smol bean who doesn't understand what transphobia is. By the way, you're a pedophile lmao.
  
  I saw that and had to close the thread.
  Rules for thee and not for me on lemmy. Oh what's that? A ML with lived experience is telling you how homophobia and transpjobia works? As a cis liberal chauvinist let me debate you and your rights and experience.
  Oh someone's literally called a member of the lgbtq+ community a pedophile parroting the same dangerous rhetoric that led to violence and killings of lgbtq+ by right wing reactionaries? They sleep.
  Remember when I got banned for calling someone a dickhead? Yet calling someone a pedophile given the context above is apparently okay according to the world's most centrist and milquetoast dickhead.

Ew. You want reddit? This is how you get reddit. Fash need to be hounded off with extreme zeal.
- Yeah, I get the feeling @dessalines@lemmy.ml and @nutomic@lemmy.ml have never dealt with wreckers before. This guy is a really amateur low-tier fash and he could break the site by himself in a matter of weeks if he wanted to. They're pretty obviously not equipped to handle it.
  
  Nutomic: wolfballs isn't obviously fascist, you need proof cause I don't see any
  Also nutomic: I also promote wolfballs on here because instead of just banning bigots I like to give them a helping hand in finding a place where they can radicalize farther

I would like to personally thank @AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml and @yogthos@lemmy.ml for being the only sane parts of that godforsaken place.
- 👍
- I do love some AgreeableLandscape and yogthos posting

I don't really be on Lemmy but what the fuck is going on over there.
- Liberalism
  
  You misspelled "fascism"

Leftism is when you have the nazi hang out as long as he promises only to do white supremacy when you're not looking
- Leftism is when you enable the growth of right wing fascist instances because of your enlightened centrism (fasicst sympathies) and the more fash you funnel to wolfballs the more leftist you are. - lemmy

I never really go to lemmy but recently it’s looked pretty similar to Reddit 😱
- There are some really cool people on lemmy, but uh...yeah it has taken a swift turn for the worst
  
  Do you think we will ever have to de-federate? Apologies if that’s not the right terminology.

I've previously been against defederating, but seeing one of the main lemmyml admins defend fascists and actively promote a fascist instance has made me change my mind.
I genuinely don't think there's any way to salvage that instance.
- I have one argument personally against de-federating, and that is we still dominate the all page, and if we can spread that message. I don't think we can convert many people, but I do think that we can get some who stumble across Marxism Leninism, and that is something I think is valuable.
  
  Yeah, if you look at lemmy main page and set it to all, then most threads and nearly all active ones come from lemmygrad. And from those not from lemmygrad most are posted by Yogthos. Lemmy literally have one guy providing 75% of content.
- Yeah, fuck all that

It's bullshit to ignore a mask off fascist because he's "nice here" but even if you were gross enough to ignore people like that because you don't "police off-site activity" (which like, so what, Gavin McInnes can log on and as long as he's nice he gets to stay???) how do you ignore that he actively plugs and recruits for wolfballs on lemmy.ml??
Like everytime someone says some bigoted shit and people get mad, there he is in the comments, telling them they have a safe space on wolfballs. How is it Leftist to let your platform be a source of recruitment for the fascist echo chamber?
- Exactlyyyyyyyyyyy
  @nutomic@lemmy.ml see above for a more succinct answer than the one I gave you.

ugh, lemmy.ml seems like shit recently.

This is a good way to do discount hexbear emotes

No more idealism will bring bright future, you got to make your hands dirty, hackle some reactionaries, kick some fash butts.

Absolute betrayal

I think that one of the main goals of lemmy is getting people out of the claws of corporate, cia social media like reddit.
The less people on reddit, the weaker the usa mind control apparatus gets.
However, for this to work, there need to be instances for those kinds of people that are on reddit.
Most of them won't know how federation works and will land on lemmy.ml. If they can't be sent to an instance that fits them, they would probably go back to reddit, or something similar, which would go against that goal.
That said, the ban reason makes total sense.
- The way I see it, if someone doesn't "fit into" lemmy.ml, you can always say, "hey, go to join-lemmy.org and find an instance better suited to you or start your own" And they will find wolfballs. It's right there on that site, it's not hidden or anything.
  But lemmy.ml itself is an instance that claims leftism and a ban on bigotry. And plugging wolfballs in the comments violates that. Like, if I made a racist blog about phrenology and then posted it in the lemmy.ml comments and said it was a super cool and inviting safe space for everyone....do I get banned? I never put the phrenology stuff in the lemmy.ml comments, so according to the line of thinking of the ban reversal, I would be cool to keep advertising away. And what it leads to is, you can say whatever rule violating stuff you want as long as you link to it in the comments and don't type it in directly
  You don't even have to look at it from a bash the fash perspective (though you should). Just looking at it from a purely debatebro "follow the rules" perspective, that account should be banned.
  
  The way I see it, if someone doesn’t “fit into” lemmy.ml, you can always say, “hey, go to join-lemmy.org and find an instance better suited to you or start your own”
  That seems like a good solution.
- getting people out of the claws of corporate, cia social media like reddit.
  The less people on reddit, the weaker the usa mind control apparatus gets.
  Poor chance when libs swarm it and bring the mind control apparatus with them.

I'm all for the wild west of the internet. I don't have a problem with Alex Jones existing. They banned him from everything and all he did was take his ball and go somewhere else. Just like reddit suppresses marxism leninism and causes us to migrate. The people of lemmy.ml aren't socialists as a rule. They're more akin to the FOSS crowd. For many reasons I'm not concerned with fascists on the internet. They aren't working within the State. The liberals of either party are state actors and therefore more frightening to me than fringe fascists hiding in the backwater. I'm of the line to let them have their communities so long as they don't enter ours and cause trouble. On this topic I'm more in line with the general sentiment of lemmy.ml. I'm for the freedom of discourse. The truth will stand on its own merits.
- No offense, but this is the response of someone who doesn't get called a pedophile groomer regularly just for existing.
  Allowing people who do that to hang around your "leftist" (which lemmy.ml claims to be) spaces just further endangers queer people. It's soul-crushing and draining to have to start every conversation with the basic premise that you are a human being denied you. I think our comrades at lemmy.ml deserve better than that, otherwise they'd just hang out on reddit.
- They banned him from everything and all he did was take his ball and go somewhere else.
  Yeah but deplatforming has also worked in cases like the guy who used to be "Nero" on Twitter. He could be dead in a ditch and no one would know.

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