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Hey Hexbear, if you're dropping by, let me know when Russian and Chinese workers seize the means of production.
In the meantime I'm sitting here oppressed in Norway.
- Not a commie, but didn't the Norwegian people nationalize the oil production, leasing it out to companies while keeping a huge share of the profit for the welfare of common Norwegians?
  My understanding is that, in a sense, that is exactly what seizing the means of production is about.
  
  Means: seized.
  Snow: plowed.
  Lute: fisked.
  
  Controlling the natural resources a country and leasing it out it private companies is pretty standard practice in most non corrupt countries. Norway probably differs in that they capture more of the economic rent in part due to a more efficient tax and a share of public ownership.
  
  That sounds to me more like a merger of corporation and state.
- Polling says that Norway is #7 happiest country on Earth. Finland is #1, Denmark is #2...I wonder where China is on that list OwO
- Bruh, we have oppressed people in Norway. Did you forget that our own supreme court ruled that some of our wind mills at Fosen are in violation of UN law of civil and political rights (source in Norwegian). That was two years ago and they are still standing, which is especially bad due to the historical repression and attempts at ethnic cleansing of Sámi people in Norway, that was going on for a disturbingly long time. Now, as a quick caveat I will add that on a global scale we are doing pretty alright. However, that you are fortunate and well, for which I am glad, does not mean that the sentiment of the meme is wrong. Since the 70s much of the good systems we built have been demolished by laissez-faire politics and politicians, like your beloved "Jern-Erna", lowering corporate taxes and allowing for privatization of public services (our railway system, healthcare and so on). I also don't think many people from Hexbear are deluded enough to believe in imminent revolution in Russia nor conflating the Russian government with the Communist Party of China (though I might suspect you do), making your comment either worthless or in bad faith (we both know it is both). Either way, I support seizing the means of production and voted for my convictions today. Even though I believe I probably fundamentally disagree with you, I hope you did too. Leave the "all communists are tankie fascists" idea at home please. It only makes you look ignorant and a bad representative for our nice little country.
- ... You realize Norway is one of the examples we use of a successful socialist state right?
  
  norway isn't socialist, but a social democracy where they move all the unethical labour somewhere else. it's miles better than neoliberalism, but it's still capitalist
  
  ... You do realize we hear most internet communists we come across argue that we'd be so much better if we were run like Russian or China?
- Damn, that's a crazy red scare into yellow peril combo.
- Not hexbear but aren't you Norwegians an oppressive oil state? You guys were bombing brown people for fun a couple of years back. Isn't Stoltenburg one of your guys? He just admitted to intentionally provoking the Russian invasion.
  
  Reads like a parody but there's a good chance it's not.
  
  You what now?
  
  Oh look! A commie!
  Say hi when you meet our little black sparrow-sized drones. All you have to do to earn a visit is mention how we fucked over the Sami, we really don't like those things. Oh, and don't insult Jern-Erna if she gets back in power, she'll divebomb you and leave nothing but a crater. Say what you will about Støre, he's a soggy twig.

If the Revolution happens before 9 I'm not going
- or on Sundays
  
  Or in August

Every day since the 19th century...any day now
- We seized some means of production... sort of?
  
  There have been at least two different countries seize the means of production over the years, it didn't really work out for either of them. Turns out they just swapped one bourgeoise class for another, while the peasants and proles starved.
- Pretty hilarious to see a guy from a capitalist shithole that's tearing itself apart acting all smug. Never gets old.
  
  As hilarious as seeing a guy from a capitalist country fantasising over a fake communist country

The pig should shut up. It's time to wake up the sheep.
- I love to start the day with a little bit of revolution and freshly smoked bacon.

Reminds me of animal farm
- My thoughts too, with a pig being opposed
  
  Two legs bad!

Please never defederate commies! It's hilarious! 😆
- I have to admit, their propaganda game is on point
- It def adds some flavor to the social media political scene
  
  Quite refreshing to see extreme right-wing fuming over actual extreme left-wing, instead of the moderate left-wing they are used to.

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I'm south african. My government has the means of production for electricity seized (they own Eskom which has a monopoly.) It is well known that while the regular person has to deal with load shedding, the government officials do not
Add the issues with South African Airways and I would not like all the means of production to be owned by the government
- Owned by the government is specifically NOT "owned by the workers". That is definitionally not socialism, and it's not communism either.
  I seriously hate how no one even knows what socialism or real communism is... Only in stupid authoritarian "communism" like China do you have the government own much of anything directly. Hell, in proper Communism, there's not supposed to be much of a government at all. Nothing like the giant armies of beurocrats and politicians most places have today, anyways.
  
  That's kind of the point of most people who don't think communism can function in current society, the government represents the people, right? So "the people" owning the means of production just becomes "the government" owning the means of production.
  Which is why all "communist" states that have ever existed function identically to their fascist counterparts, because regardless of what you call it, the state owns everything.
  
  How workers would own the means of production in socialism/communism without the government?
  
  People expressing opposition to the military industrial complex get called tankies these days.
- should be owned by the people
  
  I trust those people even less
- Trust me, you don't want those amenities in the hands of unelected greedy business men either.
  Load shedding is still better than not having any electricity at all because it isn't profitable enough to manage the power net in your region.
  
  At least the greedy business men have a business to run. The politicians just get bailed out and spend it on luxury cars
- I think perhaps decentralizing the means of production would be a better path.
- You live in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, i.e. a liberal democracy where the bourgeoisie (owners of the means of production) dictate the laws.
  State owned companies work for the interests of the ruling class, in this case the bourgeoisie, so you can bet it is subsidized by the people and the ruling class (and their businesses) benefit off it. (Socializing losses and privatizing profits)
  If it was owned by say Elon Musk, it wouldn't be any different for the regular working class people. Only the relations between the bourgeoisie may change.
  
  In other terms, he's at the more equal pig stage.
  The working class should own the means, not the ruling class.

Is this a memes community? Or a soviet shit hole? I escaped reddit because it was shit and the ultra gatekeeping communists shitfaces, I hate to leave lemmy because of this as well, not many capitalists around this site -_-
- I'm deeply sorry that we don't like supporting the oppression of marginalized groups here
  
  Oppressing people is like 90% of what Communists do. The other 10% is lying about everything.
  
  Yes, as if communism doesnt support opressing literally everyone, you western "communists" are really special aren't ya?
- bye felicia
- I'm genuinely curious - what do you think communism is? There's been a lot of definitions over the years and a lot of confusion over the subject, so I'm really interested to hear what do people such as yourself think communism really is that makes them hostile to the idea.
  
  Myself? I like the dictionary definition of communism.
  I'm short, worker enfranchisement and abolition of the commodity form.
  Edit: Look at the definitely intellectually honest morons downvoting the dictionary definition of communism.
  
  You're not genuinely curious. You are looking for the person's view point so you can dismiss, ridicule and rebuff it with some half assed bullshit commie revisionism propaganda.
  That's what you lot do, you lie and take advantage of the disadvantaged. That is the REALITY of what Communism is. I don't give two shits about your 1st year political science student's view of Das Kapital.
  It's had over 100 years to prove it doesn't lead to authoritarianism, brutality and oppression. And it has proved the opposite every fucking time.
- ... this meme is making fun of the communists here.

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