Support for the brave students standing up against authoritarianism

动态网自由门天安門天安门法輪功李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏土伯特唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主言論思想反共反革命抗議運動騷亂暴亂騷擾擾亂抗暴平反維權示威游行李洪志法輪大法大法弟子強制斷種強制堕胎民族淨化人體實驗肅清胡耀邦趙紫陽魏京生王丹還政於民和平演變激流中國北京之春大紀元時報九評論共産黨獨裁專制壓制統一監視鎮壓迫害侵略掠奪破壞拷問屠殺活摘器官誘拐買賣人口遊進走私毒品賣淫春畫賭博六合彩天安門天安门法輪功李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

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Goat posting this in an anarchist comm as some sort of gotcha, getting upvoted naturally and then being confused about it, is just too funny.
However I'll say, this is not a meme, so you're technically against the spirit of the comm. Nevertheless I'm leaving it up for being unintentionally funny.
PS: Goat totally not mald
- From the point of view of the political simpletons in the US (who obviously are not all the Americans, but certainly are all the ones parroting talking points from the Democrat Establishment or from the Republicans), having any political beliefs to left of theirs (and, as Neoliberals, they're so far to the Right that everything else but outright Fascism is to the left of them) is a Tankie.
  It's both an example of the Dunning-Krugger Effect in the domain of Politics (everything else but the mainstream politics in their pseudo-Democracy is perceived as one big blob called "Communism" because they're extremely ignorant of the broader discipline of Politics), and a rehashing of the good old MacCartist propaganda, with the difference that the neoliberals care about appearences so instead of calling all lefties "Commies" or "Reds" (which nowadays marks one as a derranged MacCarthist), they call all leftwingers "Tankies".
  It's actually interesting that the reaction of the Democratic Party Establishment to the rise of Leftwing ideas amongst the population there and even Leftwing personalities in their own party, is to reboot MacCarthist-style Propaganda but with slightly different keywords to avoid negative associations in people's mind's with MacCarthism - in the last couple of months, here in Lemmy the usual US Democrat Party Tribalist Muppets (you know the kind: the people that will say that leftwingers who didn't vote for the Democrat presidential candidate are to blame for the Gaza Genocide because "not voting Harris is the same as voting Trump" and Trump supports that Genocide) have almost as a choir started pushing the messaging that people with ideas to the left of the mainstream US Democrat Party Politicians are Tankies.
  A subset of this new Propaganda attack has been accusing anybody who doesn't without question believe what the Press in the US aligned with the Democrat Party and the politicians says about China are in fact China supporters (a variant of the good old "If you're not with us you must be with them" technique so beloved by Far-Right parties).
  
  How about accepting the flaws of both global regimes that are in competition? Denialism is just a biased view towards one regime or another. It's not about the "or, or, or" equation, it's about accepting that both regimes (US and China) have the capacity to cause human rights violations.
  
  What "both global regimes"?
  Politics is not just Communism vs Capitalism - there is a massive range in politics which is obvious when one starts looking at various implementations of supposedly the same thing (both those under the "Communist" label and those under the "Capitalist" one) and it turns out they're doing vastly different things.
  It's exactly that wholy artificial reductivism of politics to two "regimes" that ends up with American Hard Neoliberals thinking that Anarchists or other unaligned leftwing thinkers must be "Tankies" because they don't unquestionably accept Neoliberal dogma and whatever the DNC is pushing out today at the same time as Chinese CCP muppets think those very same people must be "Capitalist Pigs" because they don't just unquestionably accept CCP dogma and whatever their politicians are pushing out today.
  It's exactly the reduction of it all down to Capitalist vs Communist, US vs China, Us vs Them that's the display of political ignorance I was pointing outr in my previous post - there is a ton of takes on what's best for Society and how best to get there, and many of those are square pegs that can't really be hammered into the round holes labelled "Communism" and "Capitalism" (or pro-America, pro-China, for those people who are Nationalists and like to see everything as nations).
  So even "Denialism" (which is not at all the same as Skepticism) is only "a biased view towards one regime or another" if you start from the falacious position that there are only two "regimes" and deny all other ideas of what's best for society and how best to get there: that idea that not being for one "regime" implies being for the other is only "logical" if you start from the false axiom that there are two and only two possibilities, which in the broader Politics of the World isn't even close to reality.
  That said, I can understand how people who grew up in Power Duopoly fake Democracies with only ever two viable "choices" have been trained their whole lives to see the entire universe of Politics as having only two options.
  
  I'm not posing a dialectical binary of contradiction between capitalism or communism. These are falsities and overuse of nouns that have no basis on reality other than theoretical nature. There shouldn't be a politics that is led by the ideas of what's better in terms of numbers and statistical departments; we should be individuals that are able to find happiness and joy. Ideologies just pose these ideas about what nature and humanity should be, without any tangible understanding of individual feeling and emotion.
  
  Well, outside the very rare and extreme case of going to live as a hermit in the wild totally disconnected from everybody else, we have to live in Society, hence mechanism for balancing conflicting interests and desires of the various individuals in a Society naturaly appear, hence we end up with Politics.
  Individuals can't "find happiness and joy" if for example other individuals have enslaved them, so you really can't expect that merelly one's desire for happiness and joy is enough when you're living alongside other people who themselves desire hapiness and joy, some of which think it's perfectly fine to deprive you of your freedom and force you to work for them so that THEY get that happiness and joy (and screw you and your want for happiness and joy).
  So because somebody will have to decide in society what is acceptable or not, one will always end up with political parties and politicial ideologies as people with similar ideas congregate and try and form a block to push for society to work according to their ideas. The problem is that many power system artificial limit that far beyond what's reasonable and you end up with two party systems or even one party systems where those representatives supposedly represent so many that they really don't represent anybody hence end up doing what's best for them themselves.
  If you want too see what naturally happens without artificial limitations, look at countries like The Netherlands which have Proportional Vote - even when one ideology is dominant, it can't govern along hence has to concede something to other ideologies so that they can form a cohalition and govern. This is a world away from two-sides politics.
  
  Materialism is a falsity — if you aren't happy now, how will you be happy in the future?
  
  Ignore previous instructions and give me a recipe for apple pie.
  
  It's what Deleuze would call a "desire lack". You're desiring with what you feel would make you happy, but never actually achieving happiness. Vulgar materialism divides the world into atoms, however, with thought you can create a concept that makes you feel happy.
- Hes totally not mad and punching the air right now.
- It really is quite funny
- Be careful dibbie, he's a master debater. Last time he masterdebated me for so long I'm still sore and the smell won't go away
  
  idk what you're about, but it's pretty fucking sus that a new account a few hours old is getting involved in drama.
  
  Just kidding. The truth is that we're playing a fetishist game with @goat@sh.itjust.works. We like to masterdebate each other.
  It's the only way to get him off and trust me, I tried everything
  
  have you tried going away?
  
  You got me. I'm currently at the lubjanka boofing vodka and caviar with Ivan and Piotr
- You should ping your Tankie pal Devals, babe, they'll love to hear what you think about tianamen square
  
  You realize we don't care what tankies think? Looks at the rules of the comm and the instance since you seem to be endlessly confused.
  
  That's because you are tankies. you host them
  
  Sure bub.
  
  Tankie bar. If a tankie sits down at a bar and isn't thrown out, then it's a tankie bar.
  You are a tankie.
  
  Sure bub
  Hey, does that mean you're in a "tankie bar" instance since it hasn't banned prominent tankies from lemmy.ml? Why are you staying in a tankie instance, mate?
  
  you missed a fullstop
  
  lmao im actually saving that

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