This community got removed from lemmy.world (again)
This is another post that alerted me of this.
https://lemmy.world/post/13287681
And here is the modlog:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity
Just a quick update, lemmy.world has posted an update that explains their decision here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/16795373
TLDR is that the person who removed the community is fairly new to the mod team and didn't realize there was a bit of a history to this situation. Also, looks like they are sticking with the decision this time around though.
Please don't harass the lemmy.world admins/mods though - if you don't like the situation you are free to register here or on another instance. And if you aren't a lemmy.world user, then this doesn't affect you at all.
I'm proud of our community here, and it's their loss, not ours!
The translation is, "It wasn't us don't get angry, but also it kind of was one of us and also we are sticking by the decision so it may as well have been us." I don't really see that it matters if the story is true - in the best possible case they're just saying that they don't have a way of setting policies and having those policies be followed.
If we've learned anything from centralised platforms it's that size doesn't protect platforms from the consequences of making bad decisions.
Lemmy world mods are a joke.
this sounds familiar.
and some of their admins (Im looking at you Antik)
Guess who just created a second account 👍
Would be nice if there was a Firefox extension or something to 'merge accounts' as a workaround. Make things a little easier in situations like this.
Why are people joining .world to begin with? The entire point of this is to decentralize. Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.
Join smaller ones like lemmy.one, lemmy.club, lemmings.world, lemmy.zip etc. We might need to start specifically recommending against .world and for general purpose instances like those.
Also, funny how even reddit allows r/Piracy but not .world lol
Sync had Lemmy.world as the default instance to register a new account (might still be the case, I'm not sure). One of the factors for sure.
Why are people joining .world to begin with?
Because how it works when you first join is very confusing, and why you would choose any particular server is not clear at all.
Also, people want to join something that is bigger and more active because it feels like it would be better (more stable, more content, etc.)
In all fairness I applied to 5 Lemmy instances when the Reddit downfall started, including .ca and .world. .ml to date is still the only one to have processed my application. It may have been due to lots of applications at the time but the sheer fact my application is still pending on the other 4 instances leads me to use the one that actually works as opposed to the first one I chose.
Because they have no basis on which to decide where to go. It's like buying toothpaste but there are hundreds of options, none of which you know anything about, so you get whichever seems most popular. It minimises the risk of ending up with something which is unpopular for good reasons.
Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.
There's kind of a tension here between Lemmy's design and what makes most people join social media websites. Most people want the biggest, most centralized website.
And instead they get the entire network no matter what instance they sign up for. Well, somewhat less than the entire network, apparently...
(I say this knowing full well how many think they're "on the internet" even though they never leave Meta's corporate web)
Because they actually just want to still be on reddit.
Lemmy.world is also notoriously mismanaged and has had dubious privacy issues in the past, such as their Discord situation regarding user messages
If you join a small instance, the chances are higher that it will a) be poorly maintained and b) fold quicker, forcing you to find another instance to join and re-subscribe to all your communities.
I run my own instance that technically does have open registration, but I can't really recommend anyone actually sign up to use it. It's not running on very powerful hardware, and my commitment to keeping it running 24/7 is "as long as it stays convenient and interesting." There are probably many, many of those. But there are a good collection of second and third tier instances now as well, I'm not to worried about .world's popularity so long as they don't do something like switch to a federation allow-list rather than a block list.
Also, funny how even reddit allows r/Piracy but not .world lol
Imagine being even more of a corporate simp that Reddit lmao
Also, don't put all your eggs in one basket: diversify, diversify, diversify. Make a main account, but have more on at least one other instance. Instances go down for maintenance, software gets updated, owners change moderation policies, so on. If you can't get to Lemmy through your main, use your secondary.
Personally I use lemmy.sdf.org as my secondary. It's run by a bunch of retro-enthusiast Unix nerds who more care about the functionality of the tech than anything else. No blocked communities there, and AFAIK they haven't defederated from any instance outside of ones that were hacked/compromised. That does not mean you can just go there and be a shitbird though, they do have standards.
Yeah, I was cool with sitting on lemmy.world until they did something that I wasn't cool with.
I'm not loyal to them, or anyone else. The more choice, the better.
Everyone should leave that instance, the admin and the mods on that instance are big time thought police and will find excuses in their vague rules to delete your posts and eventually ban you if your views go against the grain.
Banning users with certain "opinions" isn't a bad thing on its own, but on .world that grain seems to be the corporate-bootlicking grain of Reddit.
I think it's fine to have a main instance, as long as that main instance isn't gung-ho about censorship like lemmy.world has become.
Although I definitely agree with recommending against joining lemmy.world.
Such a shitty decision by biased mods and useful idiots. They deserve to lose power as a result.
My instance is somewhat small so I'm not guilty :D
I don't disagree at all but I can kind of understand why a lemmy instance would block piracy communities. Reddit has many millions of dollars and a squad of lawyers to back them up, lemmy admins don't.
Lemmy is confusing enough for people who are not used to its idea. Everybody new and with FOMO immediately went for the bigger instances.
why? because it feels safer to join a big and longer lasting instance than a random one with almost no users. such small instances can vanish from one day to the bext. i once created a account on such a small instance and not even a week later it was wiped from earth, taking my account with it. so it's no wonder people chooser rather bigger instances.
The speed that this happened suggests they might have gotten spooked by something. Put down the pitchforks mates and give them a chance to explain first.
EDIT: Welp, I expected an explanation by now...
If there's anything they should be spooked by, it's the pitchforks!
Ill take a pitchfork in the guts any day if it keeps me away from being a debt slave to Disney for the rest of my life.
They've just posted.
It's not a good explanation. The only thing that changed was their own minds.
They got lawyered maybe.
I'm doubtful
Wouldn't be surprised if they got some personally delivered letters from the legal department of a big media company, given that they blocked visibility to some magazines on other servers.
Per https://lemmy.world/post/13320356, they got a takedown notice and started going through everything with a fine toothed comb.
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average lemmy.world moment
being the biggest has it's problems
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.world is just the worst parts of Reddit. Even fucking Reddit hasn't banned r/Piracy (yet)
Most of the "communities" are just endless meme reposts like reddit,
It definitely has that Front Page feel. I straight up just blocked .world after they took a pro Meta stand.
Why would Reddit ban it? It's an easy way for them to collect users' IP addresses for their corporate overlords.
Fair point
It hasn't banned it, but they turned it into a meme community, which can be worse than being banned.
Luckily it doesn't affect anything beyond people who insist on using only one instances (world). Glad to have dbzer0 around.
I have four accounts on the four instances that host communities I am interested in.
It's a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised, but I guess that's the only way federation can really work in practice (especially considering when an instance is blocked user on the blocker side just continue to see it frozen in time, with no warning as to what's going on)
It’s a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised
I think this is precisely what the ActivityPub model of federation promised, actually 😅
You ever get the feeling for a flowchart?
Someone please make one.
I think a solution would be to have instances without communities.
It sucks, but I'm really trying to find instances with the most federation. I'd rather censor things myself than to have some useful idiot do it for me.
"Instance A blocked instance B, so now we have to use instance C to communicate with both." Seems kind of roundabout, which is why I'm looking for the 'ever-C' instance that federates with the most.
Same. Beehaw is my main, but I also have a Kbin account (which I know is technically different), and then a LW account, which I almost never sign into.
Even my Mastodon account is separate. It's fine this way. I don't need everything on one account. With a password manager, it's not like I have to remember passwords anyway.
Sigh.
On the up side, if anyone wants in, they are free to create accounts on other instances
The part that annoys me is that this was done silently even though last time they said they would ask their users. Hopefully it was just an admin that didn't get the last memo.
Edit: the community -> their users
I suspect something involving law enforcement or legal. Still would love if LW admins updated on this.
Indeed, especially with 0.19 that allows you to migrate your subs and block lists in two clicks
Wish that was around when I moved from lemmy.world to lemm.ee some time ago. It would have saved me a bit of time. Nice that it's there for the future, though.
Any good pro piracy instances?
Yepp - the one this community is on 🏴☠️
If any admins of lemmy.world are around, I created !westcoastedm@lemmy.dbzer0.com for the explicit reason of sharing copyright protected music. Can you ban it too? Wouldn't want to get you guys in trouble with mommy and daddy.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !westcoastedm@lemmy.dbzer0.com
A few of the bigger instances have been very open about the fact that they're anti-piracy, anti-porn, etc and removing this community is par for the course with such a stance.
What does that mean for the average user? It means there's more incentive to move to better instances. It's when instances have such a monopoly on users and communities that people should not only move, but advocate for other people moving to smaller instances.
Also a major benefit of not being federated by large instances is that there's less surface area for search engines and thus resources last longer.
Imo the issue here is that how Lemmy works right now, or maybe just its apps, seems to have the trend of pushing most people onto the largest instance(s) like .world
If the point of the Fediverse is to have a decentralized userbase, that trend needs to be reversed.
Even if we give .world admins the benefit of the doubt and say they got in legal trouble or something this time, having a userbase properly spread across many instances would prevent that instance from being the obvious target.
imo when the devs get tired of .ml being the second cousin and not the biggest or most well-liked instance, they'll change their website to not surface by size and popularity so much.
Lemmy.world is the stupidest instance around
Indeed. In my opinion, it's called lemmy.world but it's too US centric to have the .world domain.
classic US
I don't know, at least its not stuffed up to its assrim with Marxist filth.
Well where the hell else are we supposed to store our Marxist filth?
Says lemm.ee user lmao
only to the begging of the rim
Would be a good time to finally leave .world behind. That instance is way too big
Absolute joke instance lmao.
I moved to lemm.ee from .world the last time they banned these communities, as a momentarily fix, never cared to look back as here was better managed, no censorship, quicker updates and no noticeable downtimes ¯(ツ)/¯
me too, enjoy seeing the occasional hexbear, ml, lemmygrad, etc
Honestly, seeing enough of their posts and discussions over the months turned me from left-leaning to a full-blown commie
Another reason why I like Fediverse
If Lemmy.world would have full control over it, this community would just get banned, but there's more and it is still accessable from all other places
Yeah, just like when reddit changed their rules to ban DNM.
Such a waste.
I just left lemmy.world for lemmy.ca
Corporate cucks and their censors can go fuck themselves.
I'm done with that shit.
Welcome to the club, I moved to lemmy.ca since they banned piracy instances for the first time
Sadly lemmy.CA won't be far behind
Did exactly the same thing a while ago. I'm sure at some point I'll also have to make an account on just that instance so I can view it there which is shitty but works.
Communist trolls are a protected class there. As long as you don’t report them, you’ll be fine in .ca
Hey it got me to switch to dbzer0!
Been here since I started Lemmy. It's so normal and well-done.
You're gonna like the way it works. I guarantee it.
Me too
A disunited federation is still a federation.
AFAIK, lemmy.world cannot remove !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com (but block this community or instance), because lemmy.world is another instance.
Pirates interested in this communities will find a way to lurk or participate.
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lemmy.world stays losing
how does reddit have /r/piracy but lemmy.world doesn't?
lol
.world has one disadvantage: It has to follow the laws of the Netherlands, Finland AND Germany.
So theoretically, if something's legal for the Dutch and Finns but illegal in Germany, it's not ok on .world. I believe it used to be smaller but I think they expanded admin teams? Idk how a single non profit website is somehow beholden to the laws of 3 separate countries.
It would be hilarious if they expanded this further. They add a country where alcohol sale is illegal? Recommendations for cocktails are now against TOS. For all. Add Singapore? Oops, discussing procurement of chewing gum is now against TOS. USA? Kinder Surprise is against TOS.
Expand it to Australia and we'll give you THE BOOT!
If we're to have any chance at convincing more Reddit users to join the Fediverse, the main Lemmy and Kbin instances need to stick together. While the piracy community being among the biggest arguably doesn't make for great optics (having a greater variety of communities above the 50k user mark would help bring more users to Lemmy), a fragmented federation only helps Reddit. Beyond that, this community has rules in place to ensure that posts stick to the discussion of piracy, and not piracy itself.
While the piracy community being among the biggest arguably doesn't make for great optics
I'd argue otherwise. It is great optics to have a thriving piracy community. It keeps the corporate boot lickers out, and attracts the kind of crowd that we should want on Lemmy.
While it's great to have a thriving piracy community, it being one of the only thriving ones inevitably makes potential users associate the platform with it and convinces them to either choose another Reddit alternative or simply avoid the inconvenience of switching platforms. While we may disagree with them, the failure of the Reddit blackout demonstrated that they make up the lion's share of users from large communities that have yet to materialize here. Better to have many communities with a diversity of opinions than only a handful of echo chambers.
Nah I wouldn't want Lemmy to attract anti-piracy bootlickers (specially considering why we left Reddit for Lemmy in the first place). This being the largest community is a good filter imo.
Defederation really should be last resort, a lot of admin use it as a first one. (Even dbzer0 censors 187 instances)
But a federation is fragmentation. If the only thing that doesn't help reddit is another centralized system, then that's really just a claim that private ownership of the internet is good, actually, so long as we like the owners.
I assume they mean more like what's happening on Mastodon, where instances mass defederate other instances for not having the same instances defederated
Looks like Lemmy has a tragic flaw…not decentralized enough.
It's early days still. When this sort of thing triggers an "exodus" users will just shift to other instances, further decentralising the service without unduly hurting the platform. If big instances want to stay relevant they need to not enshittify. If it turns out that's impossible, then instances will have to stay small, which is fine by me. I certainly won't miss the majority of lemmy.world users.
Maybe the lemmy.world mods are just following The Golden Path, making the Fediverse more resilient through their tyranny!
Looks like the mods over at politics@lemmy.world banned me as I am not pro Trump. I am glad they revealed who they really are over there so I can block them too.
I made a account last time lemmy.wold blocked this community. Seems like il be sticking with this account for now
Sigh. At least the benefits of federation include being free to move into other instances while LW can pull stuff like this (probably because they get the heat from being the largest instance).
Glowies
WTF is a glowie?
A paranoidal schizophrenic and a single dev of Temple OS thought thar he's watched and messed with by federal agencies. He knew, because he could see a glowing aura around them undercover agents. After his ramblings about it, 4chan boards users who watched his streams as a lolcow (a person of interest who can be milked for lulz) took this slang term from him. Then it spread everywhere.
Down the Rabbit Hole episode about him and his slow sad demise: https://youtu.be/UCgoxQCf5Jg?si=JlPs70O5gQCvau2z
I'm also gonna jump instances and gonna donate more from time to time to dbzer0
So did I miss a setting where an instance can ban remote communities for its user base? I know a user can ban individual communities now but I didn’t realize it could be done at an instance level for all users of that instance.
Just like you can defederate from an instance, you can selectively defederate from parts of that instance.
That's new and well warranted from when I joined
Where is this instance hosted, anyway?
The IP resolves to vps-6dbc9b7d.vps.ovh.net. ovh.net is a French hosting company. The last hop before it that responds for me -- without about the same ping time, so probably in about the same location -- is be102.sbg-g2-nc5.fr.eu.
So it'll be France or thereabouts, at least presently. I suppose that it could be forwarding connections from there elsewhere.
Actually Ruud the owner of the instance is dutch. So I suppose it is hosted probably somewhere in the Netherlands? the IP is most likely a proxy.
lemmy.world is what happens when liberals take over
What?
They host what they want and don't host what they seem as a risky set of content to platform?
I don't get why you're so mad someone who isn't you chose what is and is not acceptable to them and what risks they are willing to take.
You talk like a lib LOL
What does that even mean
I decided to move here as suggested :)
Well I guess that shows why I main kbin and not lemmy.world. Absolute dogshit decision from them.
I'm so glad I'm on my own instance.
I am running on Lemmy-Easy-Deploy but it seems to be abandoned. How do you have yours set up?
Manual docker deployment
Just deleted my account there and created this one earlier today. Hello!
I'll never delete your community 😭