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Photoshop Terms of Service grants Adobe access to user projects for ‘content moderation’ and other purposes

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Photoshop's newest terms of service has users agree to allow Adobe access to their active projects for the purposes of "content moderation" and other various reasons. This has caused concern among…

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At this rate my owned outright copy of Adobe that requires no internet access, with hacks, will become a generational heirloom I can pass down to descendants with immersurable value.
- Don't pirate anything you use professionally. You are just begging for a lawsuit and to be treated as radioactive in the industry.
  
  owned outright copy
  It's not piracy if you bought the software and own a permanent license to it.
  
  And if your company let the licenses expire a month ago, do you refuse to do your job?
  
  In a world long gone you could buy a physical copy of a program and black list it from your internet connection. And it didn't care, it just did it's thing. No hacking or Piracy needed, just legacy software.
  
  Sounds like a bit of an overreaction

Holy Shitballs:
Sam Santala
Jun 5
Also, hilarious that I can't even get ahold of your support chat to question this unless I agree to these terms beforehand.
Jun 5
I can't even uninstall Photoshop unless I agree to these terms?? Are you fucking kidding me??
Jun 5
Realising I also need to agree to the terms if I want to sign in and cancel my subscription
16h
Can someone there give me an email for someone who can cancel my subscription without having to sign in and agree to these new terms first?
- Realising I also need to agree to the terms if I want to sign in and cancel my subscription
  I'm pretty sure this is not legal in EU
- I think at that point I'd mail a certified letter and cancel whatever card it's on.
  That probably wouldn't work but one can dream.
  
  I mean it probably would. Their only recourse would be to sue you.
  
  This is why vendors should send us a public address to pay, instead of us sending them a private address to charge.
  
  What about sending a certified letter to the company in question stating they better reverse the idiotic decision or be prepared to face a lengthy prison sentence for it?
- Wipe your system. Then it’s uninstalled.
  Cancel your recurring payment. Then that’s done too.

Same choice as normal: whine about and then tolerate a change you don't want in proprietary software rather than spend time learning to use a software-freedom-respecting alternative.
"But my workflow".
- Hey, a lot of people have deadlines and can’t just drop everything to spend a week learning if GIMP even meets their needs when Adobe is knocking their door down with this EULA change right the fuck now
  And Adobe is counting on that. They knew this was bullshit and people would be made which is why the dropped it with (what seems like) zero warning
  
  No hard feelings towards people who couldn't, or didn't, see this sort of thing coming.
- A lot of us should be considering graphite.rs Once it has raster support, which is in the pipeline, it is shapingshaping up to be a pretty good UI compared to GIMP.
  
  Link? I just find graphite dev which is not related to drawing
  
  Good lead. Thank you.

The question I'd like to ask them is WHY they want to get involved in Content Moderation. They make a toolset, nothing more, so why do they care what someone is using the tools for? What could they possibly get out of this that makes it worth the time or expense?
- I imagine it's because of the generative AI stuff. If they're using their servers to generate, they're going to be responsible for what it puts out, even if it's just responding to user prompts.
  
  As someone who’s used their tooling and the generative tooling… I have to admit trying to push its limits for giggles. It is VERY conservative already so I don’t see why they’d need additional moderation privileges.
  This is an awful change.
- Feeding some other crappy AI
- The content is being uploaded to Adobe's servers, they likely have the right and may even be legally required to moderate it to some degree.
  This yet another reminder that the cloud is just somebody else's computer. Somebody who might want to impose some degree of control with what is done with their computer, for whatever reason.

People complain now, but they'll renew their subscription. It's the same unhealthy relationship people have with Windows.
- It is my understanding a lot of people maintain their unhealthy relationship with Windows as a prerequisite for keeping their unhealthy relationship with Adobe.
  To be fair, the FOSS community in this area has categorically failed. GIMP's mission statement is 1. be hateful to use and 2. be capable of editing photographs I guess. Inkscape can't support CMYK colorspaces so just forget it if there's an outside chance if it's going to be printed, Krita can't draw a circle, Pinta crashes every other thing...hell I wonder if Adobe pays the GIMP team to keep it unusable.
  
  GIMP's mission statement is 1. be hateful to use
  It hurts to say but you're right. I was like "can't you remap the right mouse button to another tool? Everything in the context menu is in the Menu bar regardless" and they responded with "nope, design philosophy"
  
  yep. I feel like FOSS projects are always made by code monkeys who have no design sensibilities and designers do not touch any of these. a lot of them are not only unusable but uninstallable by the majority of the intended user base. whenever i find something i want to use it's like:
  —cool software. can i double click on an icon and have it ready to use?
  —umm, don't be ridiculous, normie. you gotta self host it and use the command line to enter some arcane incantations obviously. alternatively you can use these other methods you've never heard of. if you need any help you can refer to their respective indecipherable documentation.
  —ok I'll keep what i have until i find something that's made for regular human beings, thanks.
  
  Martin Owens is working on CMYK support for Inkscape as we speak, and Gimp releases v3 during the summer if all goes well. Still, they're small projects with very limited funding. Help them !
  
  I use these tools everyday. Yes there are limitations, but for what MOST people need there are solutions. It just depends on what is important to you. Also, you can use the ellipse assistant.
- Because we, the individuals, do not have the power to change it with an individual boycott and need to keep our livelihood intact. Go try to break you unhealthy relationship with petroleum.
  
  This is actually an excellent comparison. I don't own a car, and I advocate for the car free lifestyle. I also don't recommend people using Adobe if possible.
- I need it for work. It's the industry standard and when I share files between myself and other designers I could potentially bung up a whole project if I'm using GIMP or Affinity by Serif.
- People are subscribed to Adobe products?
  
  Adobe basically invented the SaaS model. It's not really practical to bootleg most Adobe products anymore either so most people break down and just pay the million dollar a year subscription fee so they can keep using it.

Ok, time to notify our design team not to use any Adobe products anymore and notify the commercial team to stop paying for licences.
- What can you replace Adobe with? Serious question. I despise Adobe, but every alternative I've tried throughout the years either cannot do the job or ends up disappearing.
  
  It seems our designer team doesn't really use Photoshop. They switched to Figma from XD and most of their workflows don't use Adobe software. They still use Illustrator occasionally, but they're looking at Inkscape atm. If you have Photoshop in your workflow, you're kinda fucked. https://www.photopea.com/ might be an option, but it's not a 1:1 replacement. If you need Lightroom, then Darktable is a good alternative. It's a bit janky here and there, but fully functional and stable. If you're using Premiere then for fox sake switch to DaVinci Resolve already, it's so much better than everything else and is free for many workflows and even for commercial use.
  
  While I've no idea of your exact needs, I've been a happy Affinity customer for almost 3 years now (freelance web dev/designer).
  It has everything I need (vector work, photo editing), and no subscription.

Canceled my Adobe account in 2018 and they just keep on making my decision a better and better one. Thanks, Adobe!
- What do you use now?
  
  I bought the Affinity Suite which has been great for me. Sadly they don't have a Linux version, which is what I'm moving to. Krita covers some other of Photoshop's features as well. And people who say Gimp is a Photoshop alternative are crazy. Gimp uses destructive editing which is clown level in image editing and makes it completely useless imo. But supposedly non-destructive editing is coming.
  
  There's GIMP and Krita as Photoshop alternatives
  Dark Table as a Lightroom alternative
  DaVinci Resolve as a video editor
  Personally giving up Lightroom is the hardest IMO, the others were easy choices.
  Edit: Will add links when I get to my next break at work, no time right now.

Gee, yet another reason why mine is a Corel shop and we don't use Adobe for anything.

This is 100% because they are rolling out more AI features and they want the government to ban all open source competition because they aren't "safe".
- Terrorists use GIMP so we gotta ban it!

Imagine getting banned from all of adobe just for drawing a dick with the brush tool in their expensive image editor.

Those reasons being stealing people's work for AI garbage.
Fuck Photoshop. Use Gimp and/or Krita.
- Unfortunately, neither are good replacements for professional work.
  
  I use Krita professionally on a daily basis, it's fantastic. It has some rough edges but absolutely nothing that prevents you from having work done. It also beats the Adobe suite hands down when it comes to ergonomy, and the performance with big files is really good (I work on formats up to 14k*7k for print, no issues).
  
  I use all 3 for professional work. Might not be good for your job but it's been great for mine.
  
  when was the last time you tried krita AI?
- Don’t forget Inkscape!!!!
  Inkscape is amazing for vector editing
  https://inkscape.org/
  Krita
  https://krita.org/en/
  GIMP
  https://www.gimp.org/
  
  And what about Paint.Net?
- Any good recommendations for replacing Lightroom? I once tried Luminar but it's extremely sluggish.
  
  Darktable is one of the foss apps that actually is almost as good as the Adobe app. In many ways I like it better. https://www.darktable.org/

Tell me you don't want money from NSFW artists without telling me.
- I mean... they ARE telling you?
  Expect a LOT more companies to do stuff like this. Because "deep fake" porn is a plague and nobody (reputable) wants their software to be the go to for violating people.
  
  Photoshop != deepfake porn. Although it might get used to touch up some images for realism.
  Which isn't where the money is in NSFW digital art.

Hard fucking pass.

Isn't Photoshop by a lot of big corporations. Why would they sign up to that? Or do they get an exemption that isn't available to private individuals?
- Sufficiently large orgs probably will be eligible for exemptions under the theory that they are agreeing ahead of time.
  But also? The Adobe suite are just leagues better than anything else in that space. Smaller companies with smaller contracts can get away with, frankly, lesser software. But at scale? You need stuff like the "Oh shit, we should stop calling it AI" plugins. And workflows matter a lot when the vast majority of your applicant pool have been using Adobe software for literally decades.
  A decent number of the tech youtubers have done "We tried to not use Premier for one week" style videos. And they usually end up coming out with "I guess we could maybe make it work but it just isn't worth it"
  Much like with "this is the year of gaming for linux", it is going to need massive amounts of grass roots effort to actually focus on UI/UX over "We don't need that because we are smarter" bullshit. And, eventually, it will be good enough for influencers/taste-makers to give it a chance.
- Big corporations probably think that since they don't engage in things that would get moderated it doesn't matter to them.
- Corpos are too big and stupid to react in time for this

If any large organizations want to make a large donation to Inkscape, GIMP, Krita and Blender that would be great.
- I love FOSS alternatives, but let's not pretend that GIMP is anywhere near being a viable alternative for professionals, unlike Blender who has got their shit together. I wish GIMP figured out actual decent UX.

I'll upload a shitton of nudes to adobe cloud and report them so a poor bloke has to review those
- That's like punching your food delivery person in the face because you got the wrong order, they're not the problem.
  
  So you think Adobe is too big and should be split up?

I recieved today an email from Affinity saying that their whole suite of softwares is 50% off.
I'm assuming more people will be migrating to either Affinity or FOSS.
I currently use FOSS but I also really love Affinity. Especially since it's a perpetual/lifetime license.
- Until its not. Better pick foss. Request the features you want and make a donation. Simple as.
  
  Yeah, Affinity was recently acquired by Canva.
  We'll see how that goes. For now, I'm using FOSS.

Can Adobe be used on a machine that's sandboxed / offline? That way you can do your projects while disconnected from their servers, once the project is complete, just move your files onto an external drive and away from Adobe access?
- Yes, with a virtual machine. But the experience will not be the best because the VM will lack a GPU. I'm sure there is ways to share some resources of the GPU with the VM to have a smoother experience but I have never done that on Windows
  
  VMware workstation supports using a GPU. You can even use it in "pass-through" mode to give the VM full, exclusive access to the GPU.
  
  Hm.. I wouldn't think you'd need a VM, rather just disable your ethernet card, disable/disconnect wifi, or unplug ethernet cable.

stirling-pdf it is then

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