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Just because America does bad things/is bad doesn't give other nations a pass to do bad things/be bad. Often people use whataboutism to justify or excuse Russia's aggression or China's genocide. All of these things can be bad and worthy of reproach.
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this lib still believes in Uighur genocide. Even the US State Department gave up on that one-
You mind providing sources? (Also bold of you to assume I'm even a lib, I might be capitalist swine!)
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(Also bold of you to assume I'm even a lib, I might be capitalist swine!)
This moron doesn't know what a liberal is, or even that he is in fact a liberal.
(those are the same fucking thing mate, Liberalism is the ideology that underpins capitalism, the ideology of free markets)
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Do you mind providing sources for your assertion that it actually happened?
Libs are capitalist swine
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Oh I thought libs were liberals, often leaning socialist. And the Republicans were the capitalists.
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Liberalism is the ideology of capitalism. Liberals and republicans, conservatives, liberatarians, fascists you're all libs.
Marxists, Socialists do not support capitalism. There is no such thing as liberal socialist
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fascists
Fascists aren't libs, though. Fascism is capitalism that has abandoned liberalism in order to fight communism.
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I suppose that's fair.
Fascism doesn't have an intellectual tradition, or higher principle outside of serving capital and upholding liberal property relations amd hierarchies. So i suppose that's why i lump them in with the rest of the libs.
Am I i completely off base with this? Is it a gray area, or a clear break?
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I also think this is wrong. Fascism is baked into the borders of liberalism. Liberalism isnt abandoned, it's just the face of liberalism which always faces outside now needing to turn inward. There's never been a single instance of liberalism that didn't either 1. Have the outward facing fascism like the US to indigenous peoples or now towards the periphery or 2. Was the outside but with a government which accepted the periphery status and invited the expropriation as long as the class in power got to too.
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good post
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You'd better tell them that then. I'm sure they'll be happy to know that it's impossible to be socialist and only want to curtail businesses.
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Libs and being completely politically illiterate, an iconic duo
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Why do you get to define socialism to exclude liberalism?
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Why do you get to define socialism to exclude liberalism?
Socialism seeks to abolish property relations, and thus the bourgeoisie with it. Liberalism upholds them.
They are ideologies that are in complete and total contradiction to one another. You either want private property in which some people can enslave others to exploit their labour or you want to get rid of that.
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Socialism was developed as an intellectual tradition in opposition to liberalism. I didn't define it
The people who invented liberalism defined it. Take that up with Rousseau and Locke, et al.
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You literally know nothing, and are such a smug bastard about it. Read a fucking book.
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It's literally the definition of liberalism outside of the US, lol.
The right wing party in Australia is called the Liberal Party. The center left is Labor, the left wing is the Socialist party.
In many European countries, Liberals (or Liberal Democrats) are right wing.
Liberals are only equated to the left in the US, which is yet another reason that USA BAD.
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One of the many goals of us propaganda is to deny you a an understanding of political theory.
Liberals are not socialists. It is impossible.
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Russia's aggression
History started in 2022, Ukraine wasn't shelling Donbass or threatening genocide of Russian speakers or overthrowing their elected president with a CIA plant no sir.
China's genocide
Imagine believing this, I don't even know how to engage with this because anyone that still believes this will never respond to any amount of evidence showing that Uighurs are living longer and better lives than ever before (as is the trend in all of China), or how Adrian zenz believes he's sent by God to destroy China, or how despite having a practically undefended border with central Asian countries that there has been 0 refugees, or how foreign bloggers continue to show people in Xinjiang just living their lives and being happy, or how not a single piece of evidence has come out of concentration camps (unless you mean the Taiwanese bdsm club or the picture of prisoners in a regular prison), or how Han nationalists in China actively complain about how good Uighurs have it with the affirmative action programs, or how Chinese state media continues to show Uighur people and culture despite supposedly wanting them all dead, or how every article on this shit is sourced from American state controlled corporate media.
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you, waving your wand, cast a WHATABAUTISM at me.
MISS! i dodge your spell perfectly!
now see if you can doge my AD HOMINEM!
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You saying I used ad hominem? I don't see where. Or are you using ad homing back at me?
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it's a HIT! 🎯🧙
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... can sh.itjust.works user JohnDClay dodge in time?
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bah gahd! Its a pickachu with a pickaxe!! Its super effective!-
do we have any J.R emoji
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I wish!
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Laughing my ass off at this lol, get his ass lmao
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ften people use whataboutism to justify or excuse Russia's aggression or China's genocide.
- Nobody said any of those things.
- One of them doesn't exist and you are doing soft-holocaust denial by misclaiming it.
- whataboutism
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Good ass bot
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Alright then, start by accepting and loudly saying 'America Bad'. Then we can move on to other bad things as well. Crying Whataboutism doesn't let you ignore the atrocity in the first place.
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Whataboutism? What about deez nuts?
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Just because America does bad things/is bad doesn't give other nations a pass to do bad things/be bad.
phew, thank you for figuring this out for everyone. we were so confused on this point until you came along
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dude you got the whole hexbear squad out here wrestling with your sheer, incomprehensible amount of shit takes
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Actually that's literally how international law works. No supra national organization polices or enforces it so it's up to nations to behave in line with laws they believe exist.
I'd the West fails to adhere to the state practice of (for example) respecting the sovereignty of all states, then Russia or anyone else can also very validly argue that it can too.
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I would argue that international law just doesn't work. A law that isn't enforced is just a suggestion and as countries can't have laws enforced on them international law is meaningfully not a thing
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I agree with you. There are even Third Worldist theories of international law which say that international law is not ineffective, but rather an active weapon used by the Global North to enforce their interests.
The orthodox position, which I described in my post, is still very useful to cite to libs since they believe in a "rules based order".
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