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Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?
Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?
If so, was it polled somewhere?
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shut up, i see a hundred people complaining about hexbear for every post i see from them and have never seen them misbehaving. for all the hater's claims of red fascism or harassment it sure seems like the complaining is ideological rather than based on interactions with their users.
lots of cowardly downvoters with no comments only leads me to believe i am right. i would argue the same thing for a conservative instance. it seems to me there are a lot of folks acting in bad faith with baseless accusations. if you are looking for an echo chamber and dramatizing civilized discourse maybe you should go back to reddit
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Fuckin hit the nail on the head with this one. I run in a lot of leftist communities there are always tankies, but honest to God that shit doesn't come up unless you seek it out.
Hexbear is a whole ass community of people not some kind of weird ideological monolith populated with people who spend their whole day harassing others.
On top of that I haven't even seen them do anything that wild?? There is NO WAY that this whole drama could possibly be in good faith. The outrage FAR outweighs any evidence of foul play.
Like it's the internet if you go into a discussion about politics expect it to get fuckin heated and don't run crying about defederating bc someone hurt your feelings.
No one is seeking you out and making you spill your politics publicly so they can bully you for not being a marxist-lenninist-maoist-purist I fuckin promise dude.
The level of pearl clutching I've been seeing about hexbear since I joined Lemmy is ASTOUNDING and mad counter productive if we're trying to make the fediverse work.
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simply based
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Absolute chad
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I've seen plenty misbehaving, but I have seen a lot more complaining about them. I'll see a heavily upvoted comment like "wow the hexbear tankies are out in force today" and I'll scour the thread to find one heavily dowmvoted comment of that pig picture emote. The whining has gotten far more irritating.
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Honestly, I've been noticing a sort of reverse of this on Hexbear comms for years.
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I had some conversations here. They were saying that north Korea is a lovely democracy, Russia is totally justified in Ukraine, and China isn't doing anything to the Uyghurs in Xinjiang.
Sure those are only ideological differences, but they are really big ones.
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Just chiming in to thank mr clay for making that thread so engaging and fun and to second his recommendation that you read it.
You’ll laugh, you’ll cry, you’ll leave cursing the great satan, amerikkka!
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Oh hey! You never got back to me on whether you felt that the discussion we had exposed some more nuance on the subject of the war in Ukraine, I assumed you must have gone to sleep or something. But I was really enjoying our discussion and was genuinely curious if you felt it had been productive. Maybe you just wanted to argue with other people more, but it seemed like we were making progress.
For what it's worth, I didn't say Russia was justified, I said the war was bad and the US made decisions that lead to this situation. I'd appreciate it if you would represent me fairly. I certainly hope you're representing everyone else fairly too, I didn't really read the other discussions you were having.
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Russia is totally justified in Ukraine
Nobody said any such thing.
China isn't doing anything to the Uyghurs in Xinjiang.
Not anymore no. They were running re-education centres that had mandatory stayover Mon-Fri, return home on weekends. Those all closed literally 2 years ago now but liberals still scream about it.
They were saying that north Korea is a lovely democracy
DPRK positions are generally quite critical and measured when it's socialists discussing with other socialists. However when a liberal comes in with all their propaganda and brainworms though you get the unironic stanning because it's practically a waste of time having the conversation. If you wanted the measured and mature conversation about it you'd first have to demonstrate genuine willingness to learn and engage with intent to learn, most liberals are incapable of this and want to talk about haircuts or how the entire country is somehow one big play pretend show put on purely for white western liberals and actually things are so bad because they unironically believe the propaganda from defectors making up absurd stories like they have to push the trains because you lot actively want to believe anything you're told.
I'd have the measured conversation about it, but I seriously do not think your response to this will be mature or academic enough for it.
Sure those are only ideological differences, but they are really big ones.
Socialists are much further away from you than you are away from republicans. We know this. We point it out regularly.
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Fuck the tankies over at Hexbear
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Straight up upbear farming. Lmao
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It's not my fault it's so easy
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maybe later, honey
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This... Now this is epic
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Hexbear is inevitable
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Get fucked.
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Please understand that I’m being completely sincere when I say that, judging from your post history, you should seriously consider taking a break from the internet to deal with your anger issues. When you spend your time lashing out at other people because of the instance they use, complaining about protests that are trying to prevent the implementation of policies which contribute to climate change, and hoping that other countries get destroyed by nuclear weapons because you don’t like their leaders, the only thing you’re accomplishing is increasing your chances of getting a heart attack
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buy us all dinner first
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man, hexbears are so rude all the time for no reason!
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Hexbear recently federated with sh.itjust.works, I don't know if it was polled on your side or what. But on Hexbear's side there was a thread to discuss it.
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Thank you for being one of only two people in this thread that actually answered the question.
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You're welcome.
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I voted against it fwiw
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Do you have a link* to the thread?
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does a mini mean a link?
https://hexbear.net/post/458637?scrollToComments=false
should also tell you a lot why there are hexbears who are immediately assuming bad faith, y'all are federated with some dogshit people, its why I voted against it
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I don't mind the general hexbear ideology in itself. Sure. You do you.
But, damn, I see more than a few of its members just being obnoxious.
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It’d be lovely if you could just see the hexbear powerusers somewhere convenient and mass block. I went through a couple subreddits of theirs, found the top posts, blocked everyone with more than 50 upvotes. Real pain in the ass, but I suddenly have far fewer teenagers who peaked in middle school debate club to deal with.
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You just implied !main@hexbear.net was a sub
I must defend it with some old fashion fisticuffs.
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They added us to their whitelist.
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Thank you for being one of only two people in this thread that actually answered the question.
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Yes and its very very annoying.
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yeah people complaining about nothing gets real old
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Hey, stop complaining.
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I too am pleasantly baffled to be here
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Lol I blocked the most annoying posters from hexbear on this thread and now there's hardly any comments. I think we should put them in time out. Like defederate for 15 days. if they keep brigading, another 15 days. I don't really want to defederate, but I hate this kind of brigading.
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Brigading is when people comment on threads which are visible to them, and the more they comment the more brigading-er it is.
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Especially when the thread is specifically about them.
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Can you define brigading?
Rhetorical question of course because I know you can't.
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Using a congregation of users to influence a discussion unrelated to said congregation as a collective as opposed to individual users.
It's like going to A random Youtube video and making it about the Rape of Nanking
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You call it dunking. You know perfectly well what it means, and you being here behaving like you do amply demonstrates it even for people who have deliberate reading issues.
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How do you think the fediverse works?
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Defederate forever, if people want that toxic people around they can go to hexbear or lemmygrad.
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You literally popped up in our thread and posted... and I quote . .
Fuck you.
And we are the toxic ones ?
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I appear to be out of the loop. What's wrong with hexbear? I'm not familiar with the instance.
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They're just an annoying bunch of wannabe communists who sound incredibly smug and post a ton of stickers in comments. Having said that I've moved to lemm.ee when lemmy.world defeterated from hexbear.
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Lots of tankies from what I'm seeing, they're the "alt-left" if you will, they believe in just as much weird stuff as the alt-right but are on the left side of the spectrum... Heck they end up meeting on many things...
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"These two groups disagree with me, that means they must agree with each other!"
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I had some conversations here. They were saying that north Korea is a lovely democracy, Russia is totally justified in Ukraine, and China isn't doing anything to the Uyghurs in Xinjiang. Just some examples from yesterday.
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I went into the thread. You defended Nazis and argued that it makes sense that the FRG (west Germany) had so many Nazis in control of the government, police, judicative, and companies. While there were alternatives (believe me as someone living in Germany and having informed myself about that I know it). You also moved your goal posts and tried to diminish influences of other states i.e. the US (which you nationalist rise above others). All in all you would be okay in the instance, but get back lash when you kept up the way to jump from one to the other.
That you try to ignore those actions and the responses to your comments fits that lemmy users arguing against hexbear are deflecting heavily from their own responsibility and their own actions.
Your points in regards to both Russia&Ukraine are also not true (else you would directly link to it, and then there is no consensus in the hexbear userbase neither) and liking the CFR article is also not showing anything about hexbear (who - if you do search for it - are actually linking the UN report as well as the Chinese answer in regards to the Uigurs in their threads and comments about it).
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I just like to watch the drama from here on lemmy.ml 🍿
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I'm on world and I've only ever seen comments around the hexbear drama. But now I get to see the users in this thread and oh. my. god. This is hilarious.
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It's funny at first, then it eventually gets annoying, then it starts to get confusing after you block most of them.
I wouldn't mind their viewpoints if they weren't basically all in bad faith or just a whatabboutism. It gets really old to just see "Well some western country did X at one point in time, so none of what you said matters" over and over again. It's not like they even continue on to discuss their whatabboutism example, they just move on and derail the next thread they see where they can insert another whatabboutism.
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Right? This shit is fun lol !
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This is such bullshit. Just saw the announcement that we aren't going to defederate from hexbear. Why weren't we given a say in this?
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The announcement didn't say that we weren't going to defederate. It said in the immediate future. If this proves to be untenable, we will have a vote.
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Pretty disappointing that @iamaqtpie is active on hexbear and says things like:
Please direct any seething that you may wish to do to the struggle session that’s well underway over here.
which reddit considered hate speech 🙄
Also disappointing that hexbear gets to vote federation, while we are left to federate to hexbear without a choice because the admins like the instance. Lame.
It's clear that sh.itjust.works does not care to get community support in it's decision making and we are left at the whims of the admins preferences. Isn't this why most of us left Reddit? Because community say didn't mean anything?
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which reddit considered hate speech 🙄
here's the whole quote, emphasis mine:
Hexbear is a Lemmy server that was created about 3 years ago as a new home for the former users of r/chapotraphouse. CTH was banned from reddit because
they were openly calling for the deaths of slave owners, which reddit considered hate speech🙄Why would you take this out of context, and what is your issue with the whole quote?
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The quote was to establish that the admins personal feelings are involved about the instance.
It is an objective fact that the sub was banned on Reddit for hate speech. The rolling eyes emoji establishes the admins personal feelings on the subject.
Whether the ban is justified or not is irrelevant to my point that SJW does not care to understand what its user base may want.
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You’re welcome to join hexbear, where this federation decision was voted on and we tried to make a space for people who are tired of the fediverse too.
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It’s clear that sh.itjust.works does not care to get community support in it’s decision making and we are left at the whims of the admins preferences. Isn’t this why most of us left Reddit? Because community say didn’t mean anything?
Make your own instance then, or move to another. That's the lemmy solution.
Lemmy isn't about having each instance be its own democracy, lemmy is about having lots and lots and lots of instances forming one massive network. These will always be privately owned by the people hosting them, so it's ultimately up to them how they run their shop. However, the barrier to entry is relatively low, so you can quite easily host your own and be on exactly the same footing.
If you want to talk about community, then that's literally what lemmy has instead of subreddits. That's where the users make the rules. Granted, there aren't sufficient mod tools to properly deal with anything - maybe when they introduce user-level instance blocking (coming soon ^TM ) they'll also give us community-level instance blocking.
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LMAO I got banned for this post
No reason given. Just "mod Banned"
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you aren't able to see the ban reason for other instances mod actions im pretty sure
otherwise that means your mods have been banning dozens of ours under false pretenses
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That's a highly suspicious use of a ban that I would like admin feedback on.
While your take about decision making is slightly wrong...
We're federating with everything by default and use blocklists. Hexbear is fedetating with nobody by default and uses allowlists.
Basically, no action has been made by local admins for this new federation to happen.
We never had to defederate them before because they weren't fedetating with us.The next step would be discussion then vote in the agora. I expect defederation to take a bit more than a week if the process hasn't changed too much since last time.
That said, your comment isn't anywhere near ban worthy and is a really bad optics on whichever mod was involved in that.
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Looks like I got unbanned and my alt banned
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What the actual fuck is wrong with admins of SJW?
Please direct any seething that you may wish to do to the struggle session that's well underway over here.
Thought this instance puts things to vote so yeah, duck you too, goodbye.
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You’re welcome to join hexbear. We had a big ol vote about this and are trying to create communities for the people that want a respite from federated posts and content!
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But more seriously, this wasn't a vote for us to have. We hadn't actually defederated from them in the first place. Their instance is one of the few set to whitelist only. Instead of federating with everyone by default and defederating by adding URLs to a blacklist, they exclusively select instances to federate with by their admins manually adding them to their allow list.
So it was their instance that decided to add us to their list of instances they'll interact with. No change was made at sh.itjust.works without local user consultation. If you have concerns with this there is a recent discussion post at the !agora@sh.itjust.works
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Why would you vote on whether or not Hexbear decides to federate?
SJW federates with everyone and then defederates from things that are a problem. SJW isn't the one taking any action here, it is Hexbears decision to turn on federation, SJW has changed nothing that required voting on.
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Yeah, garbage post. I expect we'll see discussion/vote for defederation soon, though. I'd like to hear from TheDude as his stance made a lot more sense when we were defederating from exploding-heads.
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Discussion thread is ongoing as we speak.
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Every lemmy instance should defederate from these losers and we should ship all the users from there to North Korea because they love it so much.
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North Korea’s considerable economic achievements since liberation were all but completely wiped out by the war. By 1949, after two years of a planned economy, North Korea had recovery from the post-liberation chaos, and economic output had reached the level of the colonial period. Plans for 1950 were to increase output again by a third in the North, and the DPRK leadership had expected further economic gains following integration with the agriculturally more productive South after unification. According to DPRK figures, the war destroyed some 8,700 factories, 5,000 schools, 1,000 hospitals and 600,000 homes. Most of the destruction occurred in 1950 and 1951. To escape the bombing, entire factories were moved underground, along with schools, hospitals, government offices, and much of the population. Agriculture was devastated, and famine loomed. Peasants hid underground during the day and came out to farm at night. Destruction of livestock, shortages of seed, farm tools, and fertilizer, and loss of manpower reduced agricultural production to the level of bare subsistence at best. The Nodong Sinmun newspaper referred to 1951 as “the year of unbearable trials,” a phrase revived in the famine years of the 1990s. Worse was yet to come. By the fall of 1952, there were no effective targets left for US planes to hit. Every significant town, city and industrial area in North Korea had already been bombed. In the spring of 1953, the Air Force targeted irrigation dams on the Yalu River, both to destroy the North Korean rice crop and to pressure the Chinese, who would have to supply more food aid to the North. Five reservoirs were hit, flooding thousands of acres of farmland, inundating whole towns and laying waste to the essential food source for millions of North Koreans. Only emergency assistance from China, the USSR, and other socialist countries prevented widespread famine.
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Lord I'm still listening to Season 2 of Blowback and haven't gotten to Season 3 yet but I had no clue about this, that's genuinely fucked up
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Oh you don’t like the US? Why don’t you move to [insert country ravaged by US intervention]. Checkmate tankies
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*inserts comically big laughing emoji
Put Canada on that list, we've lost all self identity cuz we just parrot American talking points
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how about we ship you to Ukraine eh?
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Least fascist liberal.
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Is there a straightforward way to go through and block all communities on hexbear? I browse All but would like to avoid accidentally commenting on any of their posts.
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Not yet, but lemmy should have user controls to block instances soon
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Sync can do it
Filter comment and posts from the entire instance.
It's great.
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Connect too. They were the first in fact iirc
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I thought my instance defederated with them, but I just realized I blocked like a dozen or so of them and now they're non existent on here lol.
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Honestly just chat/interact with them. What's the big deal? They seem humorous. Or just block their communities
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Calling this present thread a "struggle session" is dismissive at best if not downright insulting and I expect better from our mod team.
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What's insulting about "struggle session"? I will concede that it was dismissive, because I was dismissing demands for immediate defederation, which contradicts our decision making process.
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Ehhh... I'll try to assume the best here and just quote what Wikipedia has to say on struggle sessions.
If you read that and still think that's an apt choice of words, then... idk? yikes?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session
Struggle sessions or denunciation rallies were violent public spectacles in Maoist China where people accused of being "class enemies" were publicly humiliated, accused, beaten and tortured by people with whom they were close. Usually conducted at the workplace, classrooms and auditoriums, "students were pitted against their teachers, friends and spouses were pressured to betray one another, [and] children were manipulated into exposing their parents". Staging, scripts and agitators were prearranged by the Maoists to incite crowd support. The aim was to instill a crusading spirit among the crowd to promote the Maoist thought reform. These rallies were most popular in the mass campaigns immediately before and after the establishment of the People's Republic of China and during the Cultural Revolution.
Regardless of where one stands on this particular topic, I don't think this is a term we should ever want associated with anything, let alone our vote discussion threads?
The discussion should be an integral part of the vote and decision making process and to me, dismissing it or shitting on in kinda stinks up the whole thing.
Dismissal, and implying the discussion is a sham, coming from someone in a position of power... I mean yea, that's kind of insulting? — not to me, but to the ideals of this place and the agora.I can't really know your intent, and while I prefer to assume the best, it's not really a good look.
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